Yes, Roger, it does.
What also happens to my experience is the users/learners (dual persona here) know how to operate the applciations, however, it takes some more time to be creative and use them beyond info given.




--- On Mon, 10/13/08, Roger Broadie <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> From: Roger Broadie <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: [VLES] VLE versus informal networking
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Date: Monday, October 13, 2008, 1:28 PM
> Hi Leon,
> 
> I feel this debate is very similar to debates in companies
> about 'web  
> 2.0 in the enterprise'. There is considerable fear
> amongst managers  
> about the introduction of systems such as Facebook,
> SocialText etc  
> into company networks. Will any work get done?
> 
> In education the fears are different but it is still the
> same balance,  
> which to me is the balance between guided attention and  
> personalisation. Where you are trying to stimulate students
> or workers  
> to engage with online approaches, you need a VLE or company
> intranet  
> that is carefully structured and well visually designed to
> focus  
> attention and to stimulate use of the systems
> managers/teachers want  
> the users to use.
> 
> But once students/employees get to become mature users of
> online  
> environments, and mature workers/learners, then there is
> every reason  
> for them to integrate more open systems into their online
> view,  
> because these can help them work more effectively and they
> can be  
> trusted to maintain a correct balance during time when they
> are meant  
> to be working.
> 
> 
> And the implication for the digital environments, be they
> VLE or  
> company intranet, is that you need to have fully web-based
> systems  
> with the flexibility to link in informal and open systems,
> so the  
> school/company can introduce these carefully to help
> learners/workers  
> see how they might help, and individuals can have as much
> freedom as  
> they can handle to do similarly in their personal areas in
> the system.
> 
> And the balance is probably dynamic. Even when
> learners/workers have  
> become maturely capable of using informal networking, there
> are likely  
> to be new systems developing that the college/company want
> to point  
> students'/workers' attention towards, not to
> mention the college/ 
> company news streams/online culture, work schedules,
> collaborative  
> environments and social environments, which makes
> VLEs/Intranets a  
> long term requirement, even when everyone is much better at
> informal  
> networking than they are now.
> 
> 
> Does this view make sense to you?
> 
> Roger.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 12 Oct 2008, at 22:13, Leon Cych wrote:
> 
> > Actually one thing I find interesting is that the lack
> of  awareness  
> > of ad hoc informal networking systems by both staff
> and pupils  
> > outside of the school institution is rapidly becoming
> the norm in  
> > many areas. I am not really interested any more in the
> VLE or Admin  
> > aspects but more in the day to day actual connection
> between pupils  
> > and students outside of these syatems and the pedagogy
> going on  
> > there and how people are starting to use these systems
> as they  
> > become more familiar, trivial and ubiquitous.
> >
> > People are building tools, systems and networks that
> are highly  
> > personalised and distributed among both commercial and
> 'freely  
> > available' systems. They are distributed and not
> bound to any one  
> > area and are usually banned from institutions.
> >
> > As more dedicated wireless devices become available
> and ubiquitous  
> > then any VLE is only going to be one small part of
> most people's  
> > comms, networking and archiving systems. Their
> information will  
> > become even less place dependent and educators, if
> given enough  
> > insight, can co-opt these into new ways of working - a
> lot of the  
> > heavy lifting, in terms of communication and pedagogy
> might well be  
> > outside of any school or VLE currently. And I would
> hazard a guess  
> > that it is going to continue to be the case around any
> activity in  
> > that area.
> >
> > I think the current obsession for keeping everything
> under one roof  
> > regardless if it's Frog, Moodle, Blackboard or any
> other Brand is  
> > missing the point of how informal connectivity is
> beginning to shape  
> > up. Some of these activities will definitely be extra
> mural and co- 
> > opted when and where needed for different timescales
> and for  
> > different puposes - shock horror they may not even
> need to be have  
> > persistance, sustainability or be recorded in certain
> contexts -  
> > they'll merely be a more fluid oil to keep the
> pedagogy running  
> > smoothly and in more exciting ways between people
> teaching and  
> > learning.
> >
> > Notice I have mentioned no services or products in
> this mail just  
> > hypotheses about what is coming next in terms of
> people connecting  
> > to people to get the job done ;)
> >
> > Leon Cych
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 
> Roger Broadie,
> Director,
> Broadie Associates Ltd.
> http://www.BroadieAssociates.co.uk
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