Stephen,
I'm afraid we were there in 2005...
http://www.envplan.com/abstract.cgi?id=b31128
you can also find the CASA working paper here:
http://www.casa.ucl.ac.uk/working_papers/paper73.pdf
If you read the first page you will see that we are discussing both complex
networks and space syntax.
Mind you, you'd be burnt alive those days for suggesting such heresy!!! Bin
Jang did work along similar lines -it's all been written down already and
the papers are out there ...
By the way, I will be very pleased if anyone can show that there is more to
space syntax than the "dual graph" (which, incidentaly, is not dual). Don't
start me on your measures -these are mainly rebranded from social network
analysis -there's nothing new there...
Just to make it clear what the challenge is: show me a paper from the
network science literature that refers to space syntax networks for anything
more than the use of nodes as edges and edges as nodes.
The challenge is on!
All the best,
Rui
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Dr. Rui Carvalho
School of Mathematical Sciences
Queen Mary, University of London
Mile End Road, London E1 4NS, UK
http://www.ruicarvalho.org/
On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 18:41:11 +0100, Stephen Marshall <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:
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>Dear all
>
>At 14:58 22/10/2008, Ozlem Sahbaz wrote:
>Have any of you come across a reference that discusses the
>commonalities and differences between Space Syntax methodology and
>traditional network analysis ?
>
>and
>
>At 17:17 22/10/2008, Lucas Figueiredo wrote:
>>But no direct comparison, I am afraid.
>
>and
>
>At 17:46 22/10/2008, Kerstin Sailer wrote:
>>It is quite astonishing how few papers are out there comparing
>>different network approaches.
>
>
>For some time I have been thinking it could be interesting to have a
>review article on a topic related to this.
>
>I am involved in commissioning articles, including the occasional
>review article, for the new (2008) journal Urban Design and Planning
>(www.urbandesignandplanning.com). I think that our readers would be
>interested in a state of the art review article on (i) space syntax
>and/ or (ii) network analysis, as applicable to urban design and planning.
>
>(i) An review article on space syntax could summarise and critically
>evaluate space syntax methodologies with respect to their application
>to urban design and planning. While there are many articles existing
>on space syntax, there does not seem to be a single work that sums up
>the current state of the art. (If there is, can someone let us
>know?). And, while there may be articles (or parts of articles)
>reviewing space syntax in general, the focus here would be on
>application to urban design and planning. The purpose of such an
>article would be to explain to an audience of non-specialist urban
>designers and planners what space syntax is about, its applications,
>its effectiveness in different contexts, etc. Many urban designers
>and planners have heard of space syntax, of course, but they do not
>necessarily have a full grasp of the topic and its different
>applications. Also, my impression is that non-specialist urban
>designers and planners (i.e. those not specifically interested in
>spatial analysis), when referring to space syntax, tend not to
>penetrate much beyond two classic works Social Logic of Space and
>Space is the Machine. While of course it is natural to refer to these
>seminal works, I think a review article that addresses the current
>state of the field, reflecting the diversity of use of the method,
>would be useful to our readers.
>
>(ii) A review article on network analysis could provide a general
>review and critical evaluation of methods of network analysis, again
>with respect to application to urban design and planning. This could
>among other things include a comparison of space syntax and other
>methods. While there may already be articles out there that review
>network analysis, the purpose here would be to focus on those that
>are relevant to urban planners and designers, such as transport
>networks, networks of urban spaces, and so on. The purpose of such
>an article would be to explain to an audience of non-specialist urban
>designers and planners what the different methods of representation
>and analysis do, and their applicability and effectiveness in
>different contexts, etc. When I say "non specialist" here I mean that
>there will be many people out there who may use some kind of network
>analysis in their work (e.g. street layouts represented as networks),
>without them necessarily being aware they are using graph theory, or
>the theoretical basis, or without necessarily being aware of the
>range of alternative analytic methods available. While such a review
>should draw from any disciplines (e.g. whether from physics or
>cartography or whatever) as inputs, it should be geared to
>articulating the kind of knowledge that would be useful for urban
>designers and planners.
>
>For Urban Design and Planning, we are particularly interested in
>articles that contain useful knowledge for an audience that includes
>practitioners as well as academics, in urban design, planning, and
>related built envrionment disciplines including transport and
>engineering (the journal is part of the Proceedings of the
>Institution of Civil Engineers series). In other words, publication
>in UD&P should not only mean getting cited within academia, but
>should help get ideas into circulation 'out there' in practice, among
>those actually designing and planning things.
>
>I would therefore welcome expressions of interest in writing a review
>article along the lines above (or any other suggestions for articles)
>for UD&P.
>
>best wishes
>
>Stephen
>
>
>
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