I seem to recall seeing the suggested charge as going to be £35.
But, this will only be charged if: - the thesis is not from an Open Access subscriber and the request is the first request for that thesis (subsequent requests for that same thesis will be free).
This is the gist of a reply to one of the questions I posed:
Anyone can use the system at any time and they can order theses once they have registered. A University's participation applies only to digitisation of your theses - your researchers will be able to use the system regardless of your participation. If they order a thesis from an Open Access institution, they will not be charged. We expect the majority of institutions to be Open Access. Only if a researcher orders a thesis for digitisation from a non-Open Access institution would they be charged.
For ILL staff this is the most important reply I received:
You should NOT use current BL requesting methods for theses in future. Many of the routes will be removed but, should any get through, we will contact the originator and suggest they try EThOS. EThOS works on a different, much more modern basis and is not compatible with established BL requesting methods. EThOS offers enormous advantages such as immediate information on the status of an item, immediate download to your desktop, direct routing of orders to the institution, perpetual access to a thesis once digitised, etc. We understand your concerns, but we believe the up to date method of working of EThOS offers far more benefits than issues.
So we will end up with our users having to place UK Thesis requests themselves via ETHoS and non-uk via ILL. In addition, if an institution chooses not to participate then a record of the existence of thesis will be held in ETHoS but the requestor will be directed to contact the institution direct to consult or borrow! (so back to ILL).
This is going live on the 14th. Like others I have reservations about the loss of the microfilmed archive but we will have to wait and see how the service develops, whether Uni's engage with it, and whether researchers utilise it!
Cheers
Graham
Graham Titley
Document Delivery and Copyright Librarian
University of Plymouth
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Plymouth
PL4 8AA
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From: For interlibrary-loan and document supply services. [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of JI Bradford, Information Management
Sent: 07 October 2008 11:21
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: EThOS the new Thesis supply service
Dear Andy and fellow ILLers
I think the plan is that people will see a thesis in Ethos and if they want
a copy read offline they will be able to download a copy or order a paper
copy using a credit card. I have looked at the Ethos web page at
<http://www.ethos.ac.uk/> but I can find no information about this. This
is what they say:
"This system will enable students, researchers, and in fact anyone else
with an interest in post graduate research theses material, to search the
EThOS and to access, from the desktop, the full text, in secure format, of
electronically stored theses, following selection. "
Given the prices that BL currently charge it would be good to know more
about the details of what they will charge for other types of copies.
and in the news section it says this:
"Any researcher from your institution who wishes to read a thesis from
another UK HEI may use the system and download one of these 12,000 full
text theses, or make a request for a thesis that is not yet digitised.
Please ensure that your library's document supply/inter-library loan and
acquisitions staff are aware of this. "
There does not seem to be much to be aware of and Andy I think is right. I
think that BL have talked to senior managers at our institutions who have
not understood fully the impact of what is proposed. The number of theses
made available in this way is small in comparison with the number held in
all our university libraries and on microform at BL. I agree with Annette
that BL should not withdraw a service, before the replacement is able to
provide a similar coverage.
Jean
--On 07 October 2008 10:14 +0100 [log in to unmask] wrote:
> This is all very interesting. It might be nice to hear what BL reps have
> to say about these suggestions.....are some of them not members of this
> email list?
>
> After all, there is demand for the traditional thesis service and money
> to be made, in an apparently declining market, out of fulfilling this
> demand.
>
> I'm sure E thesis are the future but if not offered in tandem with hard
> copy (filmed or bound) then in the grand scheme of things people are
> losing out.
>
> It feels like ILL staff are taking a great leap into the unknown at the
> moment (and it's great that we are talking about it) but one wonders
> whether ILL staff have had enough input into the process to decide what
> researchers really want and how they want it. Lord knows we spend enough
> of our time assisting them.
>
> Thanks
>
> Andy
> LSE
> [log in to unmask]
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: For interlibrary-loan and document supply services.
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Annette Moore Sent: 07
> October 2008 09:56
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: EThOS the new Thesis supply service
>
> Hi Alison and LIS-ILL community
> Thank you for all your replies. I the picture that I think is emerging is
> that, at least initially, there is likely to be a gap in the availability
> of UK doctoral theses - depending on when / if libraries sign up to EThOS
> and how librarians perceive the copyright implications of digitising any
> theses on demand.
>
> The issue that immediately comes to mind, is why couldn't there have been
> an overlap in supplying the BL's microfilmed theses (the ones they
> already have in stock) on interlibrary loan at least for another year,
> until the open access digitised theses are freely available. I'm sure
> this wouldn't impact on the interest in EThOS as I am sure it will
> develop into an excellent resource, but maintaining access to the BL's
> microfilmed collection for an overlap period would ensure researchers
> could still access the material they need.
>
>
> Annette
>
> --On 06 October 2008 14:02 +0100 "A.M. Zammer" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> Dear Annette and LIS
>>
>> As yet Cambridge hasn't agreed to have their theses digitised via EThOS
>> and we do not lend out our hardcopy theses. When EThOS is launched, BL
>> will no longer supply microfilm copies of theses which they already have
>> in stock - these will go into cold storage. Therefore it will not be
>> possible to request Cambridge theses via ILL.
>>
>> Personal applications for the purchase of copies of dissertations for
>> private research can be directed to Imaging Services in the University
>> Library. The photocopying of Cambridge dissertations is subject to
>> regulations made by the Board of Graduate Studies. A reader must first
>> obtain the author's written permission unless, as with almost all
>> dissertations approved since 1969, a signed declaration by the author
>> allowing photocopies to be made is attached to the dissertation.
>>
>> I would be interested in hearing what other Libraries are doing and
>> whether or not they plan to absorb any costs if their reader needs to pay
>> to view.
>>
>> NB: Although,the turn-around is supposed to be quick, I know that some
>> Universities will not allow their copies to be digitised without
>> permission from the author so this could take some time.
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Alison Zammer
>> Inter-Library Loans
>> Cambridge University Library
>> West Road
>> Cambridge
>> CB3 9DR
>> Tel: ++44 1223 333039
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 3 2008, Annette Moore wrote:
>>
>>> I was just looking back at previous posts regarding new EThOS service -
>>> due to go live 14th October (I believe) <http://www.ethos.ac.uk/> - and
>>> couldn't find any responses to the post below regarding what
>>> participation level other Universities are signing up to.
>>>
>>> At Sussex, we have signed up to Associate level 1 where we are
>>> contracted to supply paper theses selected on-demand by researchers
>>> using the system and the cost model essentially, pay-as-you-go. It
>>> would be useful to get an idea of the level of participation in EThOS
>>> as users are still likely to come through ILL services if they cannot
>>> find the thesis they need on EThOS.
>>>
>>> I know turn-around-times for digitisation are expected to be fast, but
>>> it would still be useful to know whether any Libraries will allow
>>> interlibrary loan of their hard copy theses if it is not yet digitised
>>> or not available through EThos.
>>>
>>> I am happy to summarise responses to the list,
>>>
>>> thanks
>>> Annette
>>>
>>> Annette Moore
>>> Library Resources Supervisor
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --On 05 August 2008 12:07 +0100 Jane Bramley <[log in to unmask]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear All,
>>>> I wonder if you could help me. Here at Loughborough we are
>>>> still looking into the EThOS service which as I understand it
>>>> is going to replace the existing British Library thesis service. I
>>>> believe that as a Library we need to sign up to the EThOS service and
>>>> we have a choice of 4 different participation options. The options are;
>>>>
>>>> We can pay a figure of between £8,000 to £2,000 up front (amount is
>>>> based on JISC banding) We can pay retrospectively for our theses to be
>>>> digitised, so we pay £35 for every request we receive for one of our
>>>> theses We can refuse to pay and the first person to request the thesis
>>>> has to pay the £35 digitisation cost We can provide a link to the
>>>> thesis that we already hold electronically in a institutional
>>>> repositary
>>>>
>>>> Can I ask if other University Libraries have signed up to EThOS yet and
>>>> what participation model you have opted for.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for any information you can provide.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Jane
>>>>
>>>> Jane Bramley
>>>> Inter Library Loans
>>>> Loughborough University Library
>>>> Tel
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Annette Moore
>>> Library Resources Supervisor
>>> University of Sussex Library
>>> University of Sussex
>>> Brighton
>>> BN1 9QL
>>>
>>> Tel: 01273 877046
>>> Email: [log in to unmask]
>>>
>>
>> --
>
>
>
> Annette Moore
> Library Resources Supervisor
> University of Sussex Library
> University of Sussex
> Brighton
> BN1 9QL
>
> Tel: 01273 877046
> Email: [log in to unmask]
>
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