Unfortunately, yes, Judy, 'girly' is it. The poems have the feel of
being written to please authority figures. My mate Vicky has been
girly for a long time, and trading on it, now she's thinking better of
it (btw she's politically as left-wing as they come, no crypto-Maggie
her)
Best
Dave
2008/9/12 Judy Prince <[log in to unmask]>:
> You get me tearing my hair at near-4 a.m. here, Dave.
> I think I've got it, tho. Have decided that her poetry's what men would
> mark as "girly". That's gotta be it. Does that preclude the poems from
> 'greatness'? Yes, I think it may. Why? Because deft form-dancing,
> memorable and fresh metaphors, in-tune dancing.....aren't enough. Do poems
> have to fight the political world and the nihilisms of which we despair
> before they're considered worthy? Hmmmm......
>
> Consider the haiku, a few examples which've just been posted on petc. As a
> crop, the 66 pages of haiku were about cherry trees, cats, loneliness,
> death, and transcience. They continue to be held in highest esteem in the
> East, as are the beautiful, brief classic poems in Chinese.
>
> Are we holding to a different---a Western---standard?
>
> still moodling mightily, joodles
>
> 2008/9/12 David Bircumshaw <[log in to unmask]>
>
>> I've written one villanelle, Judy, that is an anti-villanelle, and I
>> need not write another, ever! I love forms, I'm going to be doing a
>> Mozart course at college this autumn, all those dancing feet! I'm also
>> wary of the mindless repetitiousness of birdsong too.
>>
>> All the Best
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> 2008/9/12 Judy Prince <[log in to unmask]>:
>> > Ah, Dave. I really am glad for your feed-in, want others', too. I hope
>> > you'll 'hover' a bit, neutrally, p'raps until you've written a few more
>> > vilanelles and triolets that break free the form as well as hers do.
>> > I think you'll find, as well, that her 'light' illuminates things rather
>> > more deeply than you'll at first think. Am still searching around for
>> > another of her creative villanelles, darn it. Can't seem to google it
>> up,
>> > tho, and all my files are somewhere else at the moment.
>> > This Liz Bassett has steeped herself in all the forms, I'm convinced of
>> it.
>> > She can do them as strictly as you please . . . and she can stretch them
>> as
>> > far as her seeming 'lightness' pleases her.
>> >
>> > joodles still looking for that villanelle.
>> >
>> >
>> > 2008/9/12 David Bircumshaw <[log in to unmask]>
>> >
>> >> she likes 'light' doesn't she, Joodles? Hasn't anybody told her about
>> >> the problem of full rhyme in English, even John Donne (the brainiest
>> >> of us half-witted songbirds) couldn't evade its predictability.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Best
>> >>
>> >> Dave
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> 2008/9/12 Judy Prince <[log in to unmask]>:
>> >> > Following's the third of Liz Bassett's poems shortlisted in the
>> >> _Guardian's_
>> >> > Poetry Workshop series in 2005. This was Carol Rumen's workshop on
>> >> > triolets. Rumen's comment follows the poem:
>> >> >
>> >> > *Field Maple Triolet by Liz Bassett*
>> >> >
>> >> > Thinking of you, I see a tree,
>> >> >
>> >> > and open sky and birds and sun
>> >> >
>> >> > inside my head.
>> >> >
>> >> > My heart blows free
>> >> >
>> >> > thinking of you.
>> >> >
>> >> > I see a tree
>> >> >
>> >> > and you are there, a rolling sea
>> >> >
>> >> > of light-filled leaves; of love begun.
>> >> >
>> >> > Thinking of you, I see a tree,
>> >> >
>> >> > and open sky, and birds, and sun.
>> >> >
>> >> > --------------------------------------------------
>> >> >
>> >> > A gently exploded triolet, this one is full of space and lightness.
>> The
>> >> > 'stepped' lines work beautifully: they break the hold of the refrain
>> and
>> >> > make us stop, a little out of breath, and share the speaker's sense of
>> >> > excitement and strangeness. This is a triolet that refreshes the form
>> and
>> >> > opens up its refrain-rich density. The title adds a specific, valuable
>> >> > detail. Lovely!
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> David Bircumshaw
>> >> Website and A Chide's Alphabet
>> >> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/
>> >> The Animal Subsides http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html
>> >> Leicester Poetry Society: http://www.poetryleicester.co.uk
>> >>
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> David Bircumshaw
>> Website and A Chide's Alphabet
>> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/
>> The Animal Subsides http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html
>> Leicester Poetry Society: http://www.poetryleicester.co.uk
>>
>
--
David Bircumshaw
Website and A Chide's Alphabet http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/
The Animal Subsides http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html
Leicester Poetry Society: http://www.poetryleicester.co.uk
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