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Re: UKMARC to MARC21 conversion

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Sue Goodman <[log in to unmask]>

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Dear All



I may be jumping the gun, but having read a piece in September's Library & Information Update, how does RDA fit in with MARC21 conversions?  We haven't yet fully taken MARC21 on board, as our LMS supplier is still working on it; will we still need to convert eventually or will RDA take us in a radically different direction?



I'd be interested to hear any comments from those of you who really know about cataloguing (unlike me - I'm just a working model of a cataloguer).  



Many thanks





Sue Goodman

LibrariesWest





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[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Andrew Coburn SLBS LY LS

Sent: 09 September 2008 08:56

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Subject: Re: UKMARC to MARC21 conversion





Hannah

I would only add to the foregoing that (unless you believe your past

cataloguers were nigh on perfect) you might want to try and get a list

of fields and subfields that are used in your current database and check

out the ones that only appear a couple of times or don't actually exist

in UKMARC. We did that and were able to correct a lot of stuff that

should never have been there and would not have converted sensibly.

On 248 I agree with everyone else.



Andrew Coburn

Acquisitions & Cataloguing Manager

Essex Libraries

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-----Original Message-----

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[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Danskin, Alan

Sent: 09 September 2008 08:21

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Subject: Re: UKMARC to MARC21 conversion



Hannah,



I endorse what Hugh and Michael have said.  Option 1 is the simplest and

most consistent.  We decided that options 2 and 3 could not be applied

with any consistency.  The downside to option 1 is that the conversion

results in a cut off between current and legacy multiparts.  You will

have to instruct staff what to do when processing a new volume for a

legacy multipart.  Do you recatalogue the whole set?  Follow the legacy

pattern (245 n & p) or catalogue as a single volume?



The only advice I have, is make sure you know what elements and

subfields you have in your database.  The mapping may be an opportunity

to do some clean up.  In any case, have a default location such as 887

where you can map stuff that isn't recognised and still retain its

structure.  Finally,  test the conversion thoroughly before going live

with it.



Alan



Alan Danskin

Data Quality & Authority Control Manager, British Library Boston Spa,

Wetherby, West Yorkshire

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-----Original Message-----

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[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Hugh Taylor

Sent: 09 September 2008 08:02

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Subject: Re: UKMARC to MARC21 conversion



Hannah,



I would support everything Michael said. Apart from the errors, the

biggest difficulty you'll have to face is when there are statements of

responsibility in both UKMARC 245 and 248. Whatever else, you don't want

to lose the relationships between the various elements, even if the end

result is "ugly" in MARC 21 terms.



One note of caution, based on our own experience back in 2002. You will

need to drill into the minds of your staff that the resulting

construction is only infrequently going to be appropriate for future

cataloguing. As with so many things, simply seeing so many examples in

your newly-converted database will encourage people to think this is a

pattern that can simply be copied. They need to go back to the rules to

think about what it is they're describing and work out for themselves

what this means in AACR2 terms before deciding how that maps to MARC 21.



Don't start with the MARC 21 and divine the rationale from that! We

found that the most difficult thing of all (perhaps because it involved

more people than writing and testing the conversion spec).



Hugh

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Head, Collection Development and Description Cambridge University

Library West Road, Cambridge CB3 9DR, England



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Michael Emly said - in whole or part - on 08/09/2008 17:09:

> Dear Hannah

> 

> I don't know how your system would handle options 2 or 3 below, but I 

> think they could prove difficult because you then have to identify 

> which discrete records should be merged to form a single bib.  I'd 

> recommend option 1, which is what Leeds did.

> 

> In terms of specification, if your database is clean and compliant, 

> then I wouldn't depart very far from the BL spec - it's tried and 

> tested, even if it isn't perfect.



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