Matt
This sounds like a feasible alternative. How will it work? Can it be set up
so that when anything is published on cycling the 'meta' journal is
automatically notified? If this is the case then it would be a very good
resource: allowing cross disciplinary exchange, making the literature
accessible and 'advertising' it as a robust field of enquiry.


Dr Jennifer Bonham
Lecturer, Program Convenor: Master of Environmental Policy & Management
Geography & Environmental Studies
The University of Adelaide, AUSTRALIA 5005
Ph    : +61 8 8303 4655
e-mail: [log in to unmask]
CRICOS Provider Number 00123M
----------------------------------------------------------- 
This email message is intended only for the addressee(s) 
and contains information that may be confidential and/or 
copyright.  If you are not the intended recipient please 
notify the sender by reply email and immediately delete 
this email. Use, disclosure or reproduction of this email 
by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) is strictly 
prohibited. No representation is made that this email or 
any attachments are free of viruses. Virus scanning is 
recommended and is the responsibility of the recipient.
-----Original Message-----
From: Cycling and Society Research Group discussion list
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of matt watson
Sent: Tuesday, 16 September 2008 9:04 pm
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: e-journal?

Might the benefits of the proposed journal be better served by setting up a
'meta' journal? - regular issues would list, maybe summarise, link to
(abstract/full text in its most openly accessible format) relevant articles
form across existing journals This seems to possibly serve the benefits of
the journal (trans-disciplinarity, enabling interdisciplinary exchange, etc)
while avoiding most of the disadvantages?
Matt

Nick Cavill said the following on 16/09/2008 11:58:
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
>
> *From:* Nick Cavill [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> *Sent:* 16 September 2008 11:49
> *To:* [log in to unmask]
> *Cc:* 'Jo Cleary'; 'Harry Rutter'
> *Subject:* FW: e-journal?
>
> Hi all
>
> Thanks for sending this on Jo. I am not a regular reader of cycling 
> and society but I clearly should be: I am Cycling England’s health 
> advisor and have published a few things on cycling in recent years.
>
> I think this is a difficult issue and on balance I think I agree with 
> Paul. Harry Rutter (then of the South East Public Health Observatory 
> and now the National Obesity Observatory) and I considered setting up 
> a transport health and environment journal a few years ago. The same 
> issues put us off: as well as the workload there was the concern about 
> marginalising research so that it did not get to the intended audience 
> but rather was ‘preaching to the converted’.
>
> I think a far more effective strategy is to work together to increase 
> the volume of cycling research that is submitted and to target 
> journals according to their proposed readership. For example when I 
> did some qualitative research on cycling for my masters I wanted it to 
> appeal to a public health audience so sent it to Health Education 
>
<http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/mcb/142/2007/00000107/00000005/art000
01>.
> However for some work harry and I did on economics of cycling 
> <http://www.euro.who.int/transport/policy/20070503_1> for WHO we need 
> transport economists and policy makers to read it so have submitted 
> the paper to Transport Policy (fingers crossed!).
>
> The other option is to pay a journal to publish a special edition when 
> we have a body of work on a common theme.
>
> Happy to contribute to this debate. I’ll join the jisc mail group.
>
> Cheers
>
> Nick Cavill
>
> Public Health Advisor
>
> Cycling England
>
> ______________________
>
> Nick Cavill
>
> Cavill Associates
>
> Mercury Offices
>
> 185A Moss Lane
>
> Bramhall
>
> Stockport
>
> Cheshire SK7 1BA
>
> United Kingdom
>
> Tel +44 (0) 161 440 9127
>
> Fax +44 (0) 870 762 5091
>
> [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>
> www.cavill.net <http://www.cavill.net>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
>
> *From:* Jo Cleary [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> *Sent:* 16 September 2008 09:17
> *To:* Nick Cavill
> *Subject:* Fwd: e-journal?
>
> Nick,
>
> Below may be of interest re your concern about the absence of peer 
> reviewed cycling research papers. You'll need to read the string from 
> the bottom up!
>
> Jo
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> *From: *Jennifer Bonham <[log in to unmask] 
> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
>
> *Date: *16 September 2008 00:52:49 BDT
>
> *To: *[log in to unmask]
> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>
> *Subject: **Re: e-journal?*
>
> *Reply-To: *Cycling and Society Research Group discussion list 
> <[log in to unmask]
> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
>
> A good reality check Paul
>
> Some responses to bear in mind -
>
> It is possible for people to publish different aspects of their work 
> in more
>
> than one place.
>
> It will also provide for a multi-disciplinary forum - at the moment 
> health
>
> researchers publish cycling articles in health forums, transport in
>
> transport forums etc.
>
> I also think that until cycling has a solid international group of
>
> researchers our work will always get lost in the mainstream journals. 
> A
>
> journal (even if it's only 2 issues a year) may provide an incentive 
> for
>
> those who do cycling research (high quality masters and honours 
> students,
>
> project workers) to get it published - and to make sure it is rigorous
>
> enough so they can get it published. It it also likely to encourage
>
> researchers into this area or to reframe their work to take cycling 
> into
>
> account - I'm thinking here of people such as Neville Owen who is 
> doing work
>
> on walkability and has recently rerun some of his analysis to take 
> account
>
> of cycling
>
> cheers
>
> jennifer
>
> Dr Jennifer Bonham
>
> Lecturer, Program Convenor: Master of Environmental Policy & 
> Management
>
> Geography & Environmental Studies
>
> The University of Adelaide, AUSTRALIA 5005
>
> Ph : +61 8 8303 4655
>
> e-mail: [log in to unmask] 
> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>
> CRICOS Provider Number 00123M
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------
>
> This email message is intended only for the addressee(s)
>
> and contains information that may be confidential and/or
>
> copyright. If you are not the intended recipient please
>
> notify the sender by reply email and immediately delete
>
> this email. Use, disclosure or reproduction of this email
>
> by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) is strictly
>
> prohibited. No representation is made that this email or
>
> any attachments are free of viruses. Virus scanning is
>
> recommended and is the responsibility of the recipient.
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: Cycling and Society Research Group discussion list
>
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Paul Rosen
>
> Sent: Tuesday, 16 September 2008 3:47 am
>
> To: [log in to unmask]
> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>
> Subject: Re: e-journal?
>
> Hi all,
>
> Sorry to be the negative (sorry, realistic!) one here, but while I 
> fully
>
> support the CSRG being proactive about getting cycling research 
> published,
>
> in a collaborative and cooperative way, the idea of a journal worries 
> me for
>
> a couple of reasons.
>
> 1) whilst it could be useful for raising the profile of cycling 
> research,
>
> it could also reinforce our marginality.
>
> 2) more importantly, I'm not convinced we could generate more than a 
> couple
>
> of issues of material using credible peer review, before grinding to a
>
> creative halt. A dedicated journal would need everybody doing any 
> cycling
>
> research across the world to submit a paper at least once every year 
> or two
>
> in order to fill each issue, to the exclusion of any other publishing
>
> options they might prefer to take. Given that proper peer review will 
> knock
>
> out a percentage of papers submitted as not of high enough quality, I
>
> seriously doubt the ability to sustain enough submissions to publish a
>
> regular journal. I don't know how things went in planning this year 
> for the
>
> UWE meeting, but the symposium last year included every paper 
> submitted,
>
> allowing us to just fill all the slots available. But for good peer 
> review
>
> you need more being submitted than you have space for (even if some 
> get
>
> polished up for resubmission later). On that basis, we'd have to 
> accept
>
> everything without peer review, or risk having nothing to include. I 
> think
>
> it's also rather telling that the enthusiastic responses so far show 
> there
>
> could be more people on the editorial board than there are submitting
>
> papers.
>
> On a more positive note, there are alternative options.
>
> 1) Publish the symposium proceedings annually, whether electronic or
>
> physical, perhaps parallel to the cycle history conference proceedings 
> as
>
> Nicholas has encouraged previously. Not peer reviewed, but could that 
> be
>
> built into it? I don't see why not, as we did with the first C&S book
>
> (editor-reviewed, anyway).
>
> I think an annual publication has more chance of being credible than 
> more
>
> frequent journal issues.
>
> 2) Publish a second Cycling and Society book, assuming that sales of 
> the
>
> first one are doing well enough (I'm only one of the editors, so don't
>
> actually know
>
> ;) )
>
> 3) A collective strategy for getting cycling research papers published 
> in
>
> other journals - we could, for example, identify potential journals 
> and
>
> share info with each other eg help each other identify a journal to 
> submit
>
> to, and offer to read each other's drafts prior to submission, moving 
> the
>
> group slightly closer towards an actual research group that does 
> things
>
> between symposia.
>
> (reading/discussion group, anybody?)
>
> 4) Publish a series of online papers rather than a journal. We could 
> have
>
> an editorial board setting out a strategy for how this should be 
> developed -
>
> e.g.
>
> decide which topics ought to be covered and issue calls or invite 
> people to
>
> fill relevant gaps, and identify how frequently to add new papers. 
> Could
>
> this also be peer reviewed? How would it play re. RAE? Or use it to 
> share
>
> work in progress . . . ??
>
> If any of these options gets taken forward, we'd need to build up a 
> bank of
>
> peer reviewers from outside the cycling research world. And I'd be 
> more
>
> than happy for Chester to host anything that emerges unless there's a 
> good
>
> reason not to.
>
> So, Peter, thanks for making this suggestion. Whilst I don't agree 
> with
>
> it, it's been really useful for stimulating enthusiasm and will 
> hopefully
>
> lead us to a positive outcome.
>
> Best,
>
> Paul
>
> on 15/9/08 6:36 PM, Cycling and Society Research Group discussion list
>
> <[log in to unmask]
> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>
>> I agree too.
>>
>> Happy to contribute
>>
>> Yiannis Yiannoulis
>>
>> Lecturer of Accounting & Auditing
>>
>> Technological Educational Institute of Crete School of Management &
>>
>> Economics Accounting Department Stavromenos Herakleion Crete 71 500
>>
>> Tel: +30 2810 320 189
>>
>> Mobile:+30 697 678 89 85
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> ?p?: Cycling and Society Research Group discussion list e? µ?????
>>
>> Rachel
>>
> Aldred
>
>> ?p?st???: ?e? 15/9/2008 6:36 µµ
>>
>> ????: [log in to unmask]
>> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>>
>> T?µa: Re: e-journal?
>>
>> Sounds interesting.
>>
>> I would be interested in being part of the editorial team too, if you
>>
>> are looking for additional sociologists.
>>
>> Dr. Rachel Aldred
>>
>> Lecturer in Sociology
>>
>> School of Social Sciences, Media & Cultural Studies University of 
>> East
>>
>> London Docklands Campus
>>
>> 4-6 University Way
>>
>> London
>>
>> E16 2RD
>>
>> Tel: 020 8223 4289
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>> From: Cycling and Society Research Group discussion list
>>
>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Tim Jones
>>
>> Sent: 15 September 2008 16:19
>>
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>>
>> Subject: Re: e-journal?
>>
>> Peter
>>
>> I support this motion and happy to put my name forward to be on
>>
>> editorial team. RICS - not to be confused with the Royal Institute of
>>
>> Chartered Surveyors!
>>
>> Tim Jones
>>
>> Oxford Institute for Sustainable Development & Department of Planning
>>
>> School of the Built Environment Oxford Brookes University Gipsy Lane
>>
>> Campus Oxford OX3 0BP Tel +44 (0)1865 483436 Email
>>
>> [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> Full of inspiration after the UWE gathering, I've been having a word
>>>
>>> with our university research office and the possibility is present 
>>> to
>>>
>>> establish a formal, peer-reviewed, online journal e.g. "Research in
>>>
>>> Cycling and Society".
>>>
>>> The first question is whether there would be sufficient support for
>>>
>>> me to go ahead with this .
>>>
>>> It would be hosted by University of Chester but have a web portal of
>>>
>>> its own.
>>>
>>> The possibility exists there for any other institution or department
>>>
>>> to be listed as a supporter if willing to provide a nominal sum to
>>>
>>> help establish the nec. seed capital and finance for copy editing.
>>>
>>> Volunteers would also be needed to be part of the editorial team.
>>>
>>> I'd be happy to co-ordinate.
>>>
>>> This would provide us with an initial voice and outlet for our
>>>
>>> various bits of research that we are engaged with and an ongoing
>>>
>>> means of publication for those necessary bits of work that don't 
>>> seem
>>>
>>> to always find a home in other journals, and for the publication of
>>>
>>> developed conference papers.
>>>
>>> What do people think?
>>>