mark

Interesting - the only thing i'd mention is that the idea of Harpocrates 
sucking his
finger interpreted as a "sign of silence" -
which if you think about it is most unlikely that a child would be a 
sign of silence -
although this has entered the modern iconography now -
probably like so much - because of an over reliance on maverick authors 
such as Wallis Budge.
It's a bit like the modern equivalent of a "cargo cult" or the Hoodoo 
goddess "Expedite" if you like -
so perfectly valid in its own way - although like so much Thelemic 
liturgy - more modern than classical??

"Love and do what you will"

Mogg Morgan




rance wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I am looking for information in regards to Crowleys childhood between 
> the time of his fathers death and before going to University and 
> gaining his inheritance. I have read bits and bobs online that 
> indicate that Regardie indicates this (childhood abuse) in his 
> writings and wonder if there is any other documented evidence brought 
> forth by psychological professionals of the time or any other 
> 'trustworthy' sources. I have read the more practical end of crowley, 
> magick etc. but not really ever obsessed over his life as a person as 
> other thelemites seem to have at various different points in there lives.
>
> I wonder if anybody could from memory or similar research point to 
> books or documents. I would be most greatful. I also wonder if anybody 
> could speculate on the aeon of the child, crowleys childhood, his 
> relationship to his father and mother, the use of a harpocratic cupid 
> image on the thoth magician card and the notion that crowley may well 
> be one of the first exponents of inner child work. (More akin to 
> Robert Bly - Iron John, than say Freud.)
>
> I was struck by the negative connotations attached to Crowley while 
> googling Crowley and child hood, Lots of unevidential relationships to 
> abuse, yet what is hardly mentioned is his treatment by his mothers 
> brother, whom bullied him, i speculate that the mother and brother may 
> well of sought to gain his inheritance, by reducing his health before 
> he came of age, but that is just speculation.
>
> Pointers to any studies that have gone before in this area would be 
> great, i am not an academic, ie no degree, but i would like to add a 
> more rigourous approach to understanding my own work with thelema and 
> especially the figure of Hor Pa Khered, whom i feel needs to be 
> reclaimed from certain abusive institutions, Non thelemic ones, 
> mentioning no names.
>
> I am a self identifying Survivor of childhood sexual abuse who works 
> ceremonially with Hor pa khered in attempts to gain insight into his 
> own neglected inner child and have had an on and off relationship with 
> thelema for just over 20 years. While studying the figure of Hor pa 
> Khered it became apparent to me how a healing, protecting type image 
> became sexualised by the ancient greeks and how this then entered over 
> time (through the romans and catholic church, remaining sexualised 
> imo) into Crowleys personal narrative, and how and why crowley 
> identified with this figure of the crowned and conquring child. It was 
> at this point i had an intuition which there appears to be some 
> evidence for that crowley may well of Been a victim of child abuse 
> himself. And sought to use the myth's surrounding horus the younger to 
> give him strenght against his enemies percieved and otherwise.
>
> I have also again had pause to thought about how crowley related to 
> gnostic cosmology with a dead (transcendent father) and an abusive 
> step father figure (ialdaboath) and wonder if his researches did not 
> only function as coping mechanisms, but also as a traumatised 
> unconscious mind trying to inform the conscious mind of that which it 
> had tried to repress through various disassociative behavioural acts, 
> Drugs, self harm etc. As these are all very well documented strategys 
> of modern survivors.
>
> Any thoughts? or other avenues for research would be much appreciated.
>
> Regards
>
> Mark.
>
>
>
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> > Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 13:41:04 -0700
> > From: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC] YIPPIE! (Was Introduction)
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> >
> > Hi Dave,
> >
> > Let me first take this opportunity to thank you for the wonderful 
> work that
> > you have done in co-founding the JSM and SASM. Excellent! You 
> deserve great
> > praise for all that you are about. :)
> >
> > Dave Evans/kaostar <[log in to unmask]>
> > > thank you for your introduction
> >
> > My pleasure, i know it isn't much. We're just getting started, really.
> >
> > > firstly, since this is the first we have ever heard of you, please 
> do not
> > > portray yours as any kind of affiliated organisation to SASM or 
> the JSM,
> > > since we are resolutely independent.
> >
> > Affiliated? No, i was indicating a bond of kinship in our aims and 
> purposes
> > by my mention of 'sisterhood'. Sorry if that came across in the 
> wrong way. :)
> >
> > > You appear to be simply selling books,
> >
> > That is one means of fundraising. Until we may be able to obtain grants
> > or the underwriting of some larger institution to our efforts, we 
> will be
> > taking what measures we can to pay the expenses, naturally. That YIPPIE
> > gift store is really just a bare beginning. Let me tell you, if i 
> were just
> > selling books, then i am not doing a very good job of it so far (not a
> > single sale since i put that Amazon shop up!). We had better results 
> when
> > we held a local fund-raising booksale from my used text library. :) 
> We're
> > going to be addressing the matter of fundraising and membership 
> within the
> > next week or so and take more steps to deal with that.
> >
> > > what are you actually *doing* academically?
> >
> > Well, brother and sister orgs aren't always identical in the manner 
> of their
> > careers as all that. We're aiming to bring to bear what we can 
> understand
> > as academic standards to the bibliographies and reference documents that
> > we're making (the Occultism Bibliography of Bibliographies, for 
> example),
> > and any detailed reference we are likely to bring out in text or video
> > format (we've one video exploration of the details of Conjure or Hoodoo
> > in the works), plus we're doing our best to document with proper 
> citation
> > what we may bring forward from our personal studies in future 
> projects and
> > featured forums (fostering the Yahoogroup 'Ethnomagicology', for 
> example).
> >
> > All in all, i'd say that we're an informal or loose network of 
> interested
> > students of the occult coming together more formally to found a 
> nonprofit
> > in the hopes that it will become something much greater than we might be
> > as separate educators, writers, or networkers. This is less 
> academically-
> > oriented than you might have in mind, but should still prove 
> interesting.
> >
> > We're NOT affiliated with educational institutions (at least not 
> yet), and
> > so will be slower, have less available volunteers, and, perhaps, 
> available
> > time to do the kinds of things to which you may be referring. All 
> the same,
> > i think what will come from YIPPIE will be regarded positively by 
> academics
> > as a helpful raw material into which to look more carefully and deeply.
> >
> > > While we do have some commercial organisations and individuals
> > > as members of this list, we insist that they participate in 
> discussions
> > > instead of simply advertising their wares; which they do
> >
> > Yes, as i said, i'll do my best to contribute meaningfully to your 
> threads
> > here. I noticed a couple of spots where i may be of assistance 
> already, and
> > since there may be concern about my involvement i'll place an 
> emphasis on
> > that work in the next couple of weeks.
> >
> > Again, thank you for allowing me to participate in your forum. I think
> > your efforts are extremely worthwhile and hope only to add to its 
> value.
> >
> > Kind regards,
> >
> > nagasiva yronwode
> > [log in to unmask]
> > Director, YIPPIE (www.yronwode.org)
>
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