I agree entirely about the Kyoto market mechanisms. But is there any
way we can change them a0a?
Chris
Oliver Tickell wrote:
>Ideally this would be carried out by UNEP or similar. The role of
>corporations should be limited to that of contractors / service providers
>paid for on a cost plus justifiable profit basis, not via some inflated
>carbon market mechanism (as under Kyoto mechanisms). Oliver.
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>Subject: Re: geo-engineering - the new biofuels?
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>I think we need to research geo-engineering solutions, but we need to be
>very careful, because they could make things even worse (as palm oil has
>done - the emissions of carbon dioxide and methane from clearing forests to
>grow it may well push us over the edge into climate chaos).
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>One thing that concerns me is that any 'solution' will only happen if it
>makes money for multinational corporations, and they won't care about any
>possible side effects, so will try to minimise them.
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>Chris
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>Oliver Tickell wrote:
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>>My own view (and that argued in Kyoto2 (the book)) is as follows:
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>>1. The dangers of a runaway greenhouse effect taking hold are such that
>>we need to be ready to deploy geo-engineering solutions in that event.
>>2. This means doing serious research on the subject now.
>>3. We need to look for several things in the solutions chosen:
>>immediacy of impact; rapid reversibility; low wider environmental
>>impact (and if possible beneficial collaterals); and low cost.
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>>I don't think we should confuse biochar projects with geo-engineering.
>>Biochar production is something rather long term which does of course
>>sequester carbon but whose main benefit is probably in the form of soil
>>improvement, enhancing fertility and water retention qualities. What it
>>will not do is to turn around a runaway greenhouse phenomenon, though
>>in the long term it is part of the solution set that we need to deploy.
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>>For geo-engineering options, most can be dismissed as costly, hard to
>>reverse or plain crazy. But one that appeals to me is the idea
>>developed by John Latham of using wind-powered ocean yachts to create
>>and disperse saline micro-droplets to act as cloud condensation nuclei
>>and so make marine clouds brighter and more reflective. This approach
>>scores high on all the criteria listed above.
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>>More on all this in Kyoto2 pp.196-197 (biochar) and pp.198-205
>>(geo-engineering). Oliver.
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>>-----Original Message-----
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>>[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of CHRIS KEENE
>>Sent: 31 July 2008 22:36
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>>Subject: [Fwd: Edinburgh- Lecturer in Social policy for biochar and
>>soil carbon storage]
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>>I would be interested in knowing what people think of geo-engineering?
>>Is it to become the new biofuels?
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>>Chris
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