Greetings,
My understanding was that?co-moderator does not mean that the each get 1/2 vote, but, rather that Anny and Joseph take turns in reading and moderating the list. . .
Mill
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From: Judy Prince <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 9:19 pm
Subject: Re: (un)moderated
Joe, with nothing I say intended to be an attack on you personally, I am
asking for your voluntarily giving up your post as co-manager of this list.
We listmembers are not privy to back channel communications, if any, that
you may have had at any point, so I can only draw conclusions based upon
what you write front channel. In your posts clearly labelled "co-manager",
you have, it seems to me, been dictatorial, have not consulted listmembers
before making your decisions, and have made erratic judgements and
pronouncements. Following is a gathering of those specifics.
You must consider the timeline of actions and decisions that you have left
us with, regarding your co-managership:
1) You resigned your co-managership in the wake of an upset with one of the
members whom you wished to cut from the list.
2) Peter Cudmore volunteered to fill your vacated position.
3) You said that you wanted to continue as co-manager, and, without any
front channel request for input or advice from us members, you gathered
together a group of us to advise you on the difficult issue of whether and
how listmembers should be removed from the list.
4) Yesterday, you seemed to want a thread discontinued, and that eventually
became evident from your saying "the thread is over." Yet we saw no
evidence that you had consulted with your co-manager about your decision,
nor that you had sought the advice of your self-selected group of advisors.
5) Assuming the best---that, indeed, you had consulted Anny and your group
of advisors---you did not tell us that you had consulted them. You can
understand how autocratic that makes you appear to be.
6) Assuming that you did not consult Anny or your advisors, we reasonably
must wonder why you'd make such an undemocratic move, to the detriment of
the list's stated desire for equality and fairness.
I suggest your leaving the post, with all my due respect for your hard work
and your tryings. None of us regards the position as "easy", and few, if
any of us, want to have it. But I think that
your remaining in the position
is divisive, in itself. Surely, that is not a good thing for this list.
Best,
Judy
2008/7/14 Joseph Duemer <[log in to unmask]>:
> My understanding, Candice, is that the list is unmoderated in that all the
> mail goes through. Nobody checks it ahead of time. If you send it it will
> show up. (The software can be set to hold messages for approval.) But the
> list has both two "managers" & an advisory panel, presumably because things
> occasionally need to be adjudicated. The managers and the advisory panel
> work for the best interests of the list as a whole. No messages were
> deleted
> this morning (US time) & I would consider such an action appropriate in
> only
> the most extreme case. Hope this clarifies matters.
>
> Joseph Duemer
> Co-Mgr.
>
> On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 9:21 PM, MC Ward <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > Joe,
> >
> > The last I knew was that Jiscmail designated poetryetc an unmoderated
> list,
> > and I think our welcome message says so too. Has something changed in the
> > meantime?
> >
> > Candice
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Joseph Duemer
> Professor of Humanities
> Clarkson University
> Weblog: sharpsand.net
>
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