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Re: Poem: The Uncovering Wait

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judy prince <[log in to unmask]>

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Poetryetc: poetry and poetics

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Sat, 14 Jun 2008 20:32:07 -0400

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Thanks, K; I'm glad to know you liked it---but I must disagree with wot you 
say about your own poetry.

You may find some of the following excerpts fascinating, taken from:

   http://www.poetrylibrary.org.uk/new/poetryscene/?id=168

Excerpts:
Poetry Scene News
George Szirtes' TS Eliot Lecture 2005 | 23-Nov-05
Thin Ice and The Midnight Skaters

<snip>

The intention of the poet is to write the best possible poem starting out 
with some as yet incoherent perception relating to an experience or set of 
experiences. The poet is a person who has realized that language is not a 
tool but a medium: and, what is more, assumes - has to assume - that the 
instinctive reader knows this as well as he does. The poem explores the 
medium by executing a kind of dance across it. It sets out across the ice 
and begins to cut light patterns in it, following some trainable instinct 
about the direction and way of moving, the notion of meaning arising out of 
the motion of the dance as a series of improvisations on the pattern. These 
patterns present the poet with a number of apparently arbitrary 
possibilities at any one time. But that is the very nature of language: it 
is what language continually does. The poet's patterns, the twirls, wheels 
and whips of the dance, invite the chance interventions of language: you end 
a line with the word houses, say, and you are soon invited to consider the 
possibility of trousers or blouses or almost anything that carouses.

<snip>                 Rhymes, stanzas, metres and other such apparent 
superfluities are not just mnemonics or forms of showboating and 
grandstanding: they remind us that new patterns spring out of accident and 
that accident, like nakedness, is part of our condition. It is an accident 
that article should rhyme with particle, or intellectual with henpecked you 
all, and Byron uses both in his great comic poem Don Juan. The fancier the 
rhyme, the funnier and more miraculous it is, but any rhyme is an accident 
waiting to happen; any rhyme is a trick of light in the ice that draws our 
attention to the ice. Rhymes are satisfying yet dangerous: they take us to 
the very edge of nonsense, to the thinnest part of the thin ice where 
intentionality has to accommodate itself to the world as it is, where in 
order not to fall through you have to keep moving.

<snip>

T.S. Eliot, in whose name this lecture is being given, once said that poetry 
in his time had to be difficult. I don't think he meant it had to be 
deliberately obscure or only soluble with difficulty, like a crossword 
puzzle. I think he meant that life was difficult and complicated, and that 
as poets came to know ever more about it through being obliged to observe 
and understand events of immense scale and complexity, they would be 
compelled to make a whole of out fragments and shards. Difficulty wasn't the 
aim: it was the condition.

<snip>

Poetry does not console through what it tells: if it consoles at all it does 
so by creating marvellous, hopeful-yet-hopeless verbal structures of some 
sort. We may not be able to do anything about death, sickness, loss and pain 
but look: we can do this! We can make a shape that absorbs us, into which we 
may sink the energy of our loss. We can transcend private grief by creating 
firm impersonal events in language, events that begin to look like works of 
nature. Shelley may cry that he falls upon the thorns of life, he bleeds, 
but it is not the specific historical figure of Shelley who falls and bleeds 
for us: it is the human capacity to fall and bleed, to shape out of falling 
and bleeding something that appears as a shape in the language: the figure a 
poem makes, said Frost. The figure the skater makes in the ice.


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Best,

Judy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "kasper salonen" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 4:32 AM
Subject: Re: Poem: The Uncovering Wait


>I like it very much Judy; it's a poem I wouldn't be ashamed to read aloud,
> which is more than I can say for my own poetry.
> and quite a Yeats piece too, thanks. :)
>
> KS
>
> 

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