hah, that sounds a bit like my youth (cont'd) Dave. staring at the moon.
staring at leaves, patterns in wood, searipples, listening to birds with my
eyes.
KS
2008/6/2 David Bircumshaw <[log in to unmask]>:
> I think, Judy, it's a Critter that needs to be listened to,
> negotiated, understood poetically. The more I try to comprehend
> things, I think it's a matter of continually plotting the
> relationships of that imagined point 'I' to all the whatever of
> existence and inheritance. Or disinheritance!
> You are really lucky to have a Perfectly Normal brain: the lunatics
> have long taken over the asylum in mine. Mind you, they're getting the
> hang of running it. It came from watching Hamlet at a too early and
> impressionable age: I stood for hours after staring at a full-moon
> from the balcony of the flat where we lived. I was thirteen, that
> significantly bespooked time of one's unfolding.
> And then came Coleridge, and more, oh dear. Too-whit, too-whoo.
>
> Best
>
> Dave
>
> 2008/6/2 judy prince <[log in to unmask]>:
> > Dunno 'bout wakean, but you've brought something up that intrigues me
> with
> > your comment, Dave, about odd assocations, night writing, and ghost
> stories:
> > when we've cobbled together a poem, how would we answer this self-posed
> > question: "Wot were you +thinking+?" I seem to come up with poems from
> a
> > nother life form perched in m' Perfectly Normal brain, and it doesn't
> seem
> > to pay much attention, except possibly for punctuation guidance, to that
> > Normal thing goin' on in my heid. Is it a Critter that "needs tamed" (as
> > they nicely concise the syntax in England and northern parts of the
> USofA),
> > or is it one we sub-brainly wanna keep well fed? And when does it step
> > aside for a nother Critter, if ever? I mite be writing poems about love
> and
> > oceans 'til I step into the Ole Abyss, for &%%$*& sake!
> >
> > Judy
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Bircumshaw"
> > <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 3:08 PM
> > Subject: Re: revised poem, orange words
> >
> >
> >> >how on earth did you know to make that obscure connection? do you write
> >> rpgs<
> >>
> >> No, kasper, I just have a mind full of odd associations.
> >>
> >> Believe me, some of my associations have been very odd indeed!
> >>
> >> Yeah, I think Wakean writing is best for fairly short poems, and in
> >> small doses. Too much and your head starts to jelly.
> >> There could be, there are, other kinds of night writing too - that's
> >> an interesting thought. A lot of poetry's ghost stories.
> >>
> >> Best
> >>
> >> Dave
> >>
> >> 2008/6/2 kasper salonen <[log in to unmask]>:
> >>>
> >>> how on earth did you know to make that obscure connection? do you write
> >>> rpgs?
> >>> I never got into fantasy except for Tolkien, which I'm happy about
> since
> >>> it
> >>> isn't my thing exactly. the anthropology, linguistics & history of a
> >>> well-written mythos is always enjoyable though.
> >>>
> >>> heh yes I can imagine. but that's kind of the point of wakean writing,
> >>> I'd
> >>> say; to let the words & associations live lives of their own, the same
> >>> way
> >>> that dreams & thoughts shapeshift constantly. Joyce called FW a 'night
> >>> book'
> >>> I believe, and he attributes the vaulted, morphing language to the fact
> >>> that
> >>> the 'events' happen at night, when nothing is as clear as in the
> daytime.
> >>>
> >>> KS
> >>>
> >>> 2008/6/1 David Bircumshaw <[log in to unmask]>:
> >>>
> >>>> http://www.elfwood.com/art/h/a/hathaway/jerhan.jpg.html
> >>>>
> >>>> gives you the elves.
> >>>>
> >>>> Finnegan speak is quite fun in poems, now and then, isn't it? The only
> >>>> trouble is, and I've found this out myself, after a few years you
> >>>> start forgetting what the puns were in your own poems, that happened
> >>>> to Joyce too with parts of the Wake didn't it?
> >>>>
> >>>> Best
> >>>>
> >>>> Dave
> >>>>
> >>>> 2008/6/1 kasper salonen <[log in to unmask]>:
> >>>> > as in Finnegans. what do you mean, prowling elves? :o
> >>>> >
> >>>> > KS
> >>>> >
> >>>> > 2008/5/31 David Bircumshaw <[log in to unmask]>:
> >>>> >
> >>>> >> Kasper
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> do you mean 'wakean' as in Finnegans or as in prowling elves?
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> 2008/5/31 kasper salonen <[log in to unmask]>:
> >>>> >> > fantastic Janet. you've written a poem in wakean! I enjoyed
> hugely
> >>>> >> >
> >>>> >> > KS
> >>>> >> >
> >>>> >> > 2008/5/30 Janet Jackson <[log in to unmask]>:
> >>>> >> >
> >>>> >> >> I thought after commenting about Prynne might be a good time to
> >>
> >>>> >> >> >> work
> >>>> on
> >>>> >> >> this
> >>>> >> >> poem ;-) but I'm still not satisfied with lines 6 and 7 and
> >>>> particularly
> >>>> >> >> not
> >>>> >> >> with 'extension' and 'meatsweat' which are too orange. (Words
> with
> >>>> >> >> >> >> a
> >>>> lot
> >>>> >> of
> >>>> >> >> 'e' sounds in them always seem orange to me... anyone else >> >>
> >>>> >> >> experience
> >>>> >> this
> >>>> >> >> kind of synesthesia?)
> >>>> >> >>
> >>>> >> >> In this poem my expression is tightly constrained by the form
> the
> >>>> poem
> >>>> >> has
> >>>> >> >> taken. Finding the one perfect word can take days or years.
> >>>> >> >>
> >>>> >> >> *breath*
> >>>> >> >>
> >>>> >> >> brush with that nightskin this dayskin.
> >>>> >> >> tangential coatmerge. totem furs.
> >>>> >> >> chimpgirl. panther.
> >>>> >> >>
> >>>> >> >> chill chubby sunmemory, thinlimbed mist.
> >>>> >> >> dimlysensed. vibrational. suspended.
> >>>> >> >> extension. locus.
> >>>> >> >>
> >>>> >> >> taint inspiration, meatsweat droplets.
> >>>> >> >> turning. pacing. turning. pacing. focus.
> >>>> >> >> flash flood of star-mangled breath
> >>>> >> >>
> >>>> >> >> just outside the scent markers of the gang boss
> >>>> >> >> just outside the territory of the tribe
> >>>> >> >> as they sleep. snoring. gone. I alert
> >>>> >> >>
> >>>> >> >> both eyes scanning
> >>>> >> >> skin stretched wide
> >>>> >> >>
> >>>> >> >>
> >>>> >> >> --
> >>>> >> >> Janet Jackson <[log in to unmask]>
> >>>> >> >> www.proximity.webhop.net (Poetry)
> >>>> >> >> www.myspace.com/poetjj (Includes occasional arts & culture
> blog)
> >>>> >> >>
> >>>> >> >> The Line Mine, bulletin board for Perth poetry & spoken word:
> >>>> >> >> [log in to unmask]
> >>>> >> >> groups.yahoo.com/group/thelinemine
> >>>> >> >>
> >>>> >> >> Breastfeeding info & help: www.breastfeeding.asn.au
> >>>> >> >>
> >>>> >> >
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> --
> >>>> >> David Bircumshaw
> >>>> >> Website and A Chide's Alphabet
> >>>> >> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/
> >>>> >> The Animal Subsides
> http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html
> >>>> >> Leicester Poetry Society: http://www.poetryleicester.co.uk
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> David Bircumshaw
> >>>> Website and A Chide's Alphabet
> >>>> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/
> >>>> The Animal Subsides http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html
> >>>> Leicester Poetry Society: http://www.poetryleicester.co.uk
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> David Bircumshaw
> >> Website and A Chide's Alphabet
> >> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/
> >> The Animal Subsides http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html
> >> Leicester Poetry Society: http://www.poetryleicester.co.uk
> >>
> >
>
>
>
> --
> David Bircumshaw
> Website and A Chide's Alphabet
> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/
> The Animal Subsides http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html
> Leicester Poetry Society: http://www.poetryleicester.co.uk
>
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