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----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick McManus" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 4:22 AM
Subject: Re: revised poem, orange words
> David am I missing something -but why the piccy of Joodles when we open
> the
> site??
> P
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Poetryetc: poetry and poetics [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> Behalf Of David Bircumshaw
> Sent: 02 June 2008 20:09
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: revised poem, orange words
>
>>how on earth did you know to make that obscure connection? do you write
> rpgs<
>
> No, kasper, I just have a mind full of odd associations.
>
> Believe me, some of my associations have been very odd indeed!
>
> Yeah, I think Wakean writing is best for fairly short poems, and in
> small doses. Too much and your head starts to jelly.
> There could be, there are, other kinds of night writing too - that's
> an interesting thought. A lot of poetry's ghost stories.
>
> Best
>
> Dave
>
> 2008/6/2 kasper salonen <[log in to unmask]>:
>> how on earth did you know to make that obscure connection? do you write
>> rpgs?
>> I never got into fantasy except for Tolkien, which I'm happy about since
> it
>> isn't my thing exactly. the anthropology, linguistics & history of a
>> well-written mythos is always enjoyable though.
>>
>> heh yes I can imagine. but that's kind of the point of wakean writing,
>> I'd
>> say; to let the words & associations live lives of their own, the same
>> way
>> that dreams & thoughts shapeshift constantly. Joyce called FW a 'night
> book'
>> I believe, and he attributes the vaulted, morphing language to the fact
> that
>> the 'events' happen at night, when nothing is as clear as in the daytime.
>>
>> KS
>>
>> 2008/6/1 David Bircumshaw <[log in to unmask]>:
>>
>>> http://www.elfwood.com/art/h/a/hathaway/jerhan.jpg.html
>>>
>>> gives you the elves.
>>>
>>> Finnegan speak is quite fun in poems, now and then, isn't it? The only
>>> trouble is, and I've found this out myself, after a few years you
>>> start forgetting what the puns were in your own poems, that happened
>>> to Joyce too with parts of the Wake didn't it?
>>>
>>> Best
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> 2008/6/1 kasper salonen <[log in to unmask]>:
>>> > as in Finnegans. what do you mean, prowling elves? :o
>>> >
>>> > KS
>>> >
>>> > 2008/5/31 David Bircumshaw <[log in to unmask]>:
>>> >
>>> >> Kasper
>>> >>
>>> >> do you mean 'wakean' as in Finnegans or as in prowling elves?
>>> >>
>>> >> 2008/5/31 kasper salonen <[log in to unmask]>:
>>> >> > fantastic Janet. you've written a poem in wakean! I enjoyed hugely
>>> >> >
>>> >> > KS
>>> >> >
>>> >> > 2008/5/30 Janet Jackson <[log in to unmask]>:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> I thought after commenting about Prynne might be a good time to
> work
>>> on
>>> >> >> this
>>> >> >> poem ;-) but I'm still not satisfied with lines 6 and 7 and
>>> particularly
>>> >> >> not
>>> >> >> with 'extension' and 'meatsweat' which are too orange. (Words with
> a
>>> lot
>>> >> of
>>> >> >> 'e' sounds in them always seem orange to me... anyone else
> experience
>>> >> this
>>> >> >> kind of synesthesia?)
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> In this poem my expression is tightly constrained by the form the
>>> poem
>>> >> has
>>> >> >> taken. Finding the one perfect word can take days or years.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> *breath*
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> brush with that nightskin this dayskin.
>>> >> >> tangential coatmerge. totem furs.
>>> >> >> chimpgirl. panther.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> chill chubby sunmemory, thinlimbed mist.
>>> >> >> dimlysensed. vibrational. suspended.
>>> >> >> extension. locus.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> taint inspiration, meatsweat droplets.
>>> >> >> turning. pacing. turning. pacing. focus.
>>> >> >> flash flood of star-mangled breath
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> just outside the scent markers of the gang boss
>>> >> >> just outside the territory of the tribe
>>> >> >> as they sleep. snoring. gone. I alert
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> both eyes scanning
>>> >> >> skin stretched wide
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> --
>>> >> >> Janet Jackson <[log in to unmask]>
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>>> >> >>
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>>> >> >>
>>> >> >
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> --
>>> >> David Bircumshaw
>>> >> Website and A Chide's Alphabet
>>> >> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/
>>> >> The Animal Subsides http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html
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>>> >>
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> David Bircumshaw
>>> Website and A Chide's Alphabet
>>> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/
>>> The Animal Subsides http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html
>>> Leicester Poetry Society: http://www.poetryleicester.co.uk
>>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> David Bircumshaw
> Website and A Chide's Alphabet
> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/
> The Animal Subsides http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html
> Leicester Poetry Society: http://www.poetryleicester.co.uk
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