Hello All,
I write in the hope that this email makes it through as others Ihave sent have not however I interpret 'nothing about us without us' as per Rohhss Cahpaman's earlier email.
It is a short political statement of the redress required to mitigate the previous imbalances in the manifestations of power relations relating to impairment and disability that cross the myriad of complexities of those categories.
Although I applaud and celebrate the successes and impact of Disabled Peoples Movements' conceptual repositioning of disability through the social model and all its attendant debates and do often think that this impact is underestimated there is still a long way to go to to achieve the equivalence of autonomy you are suggesting John.
Best wishes,
Irene.
----- Original Message ----
From: John H Noble Jr <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Wednesday, 25 June, 2008 12:30:53 PM
Subject: Re: who should do the research?
Larry,
It is not my intention to "subjectivize" anybody, just stating the
reality of things. Do I like research of which I do not approve, NO. Do I
have to live with it, YES. Must we struggle to make it otherwise, YES. And,
YES, "morality" is subjective. It resides within the individual's
deliberations about right action against the hierarchy of personal and
community values. There are conflicts and tradeoffs amongst these values,
including "legislative morality," a.k.a. promulgated laws and regulations.
And, YES, it is far easier to cast opprobrium on the actions of others than
to attend to the probity of one's own. One might quote the scriptures in
this regard: "He/she who is without sin, cast the first stone."
That said, "Nothing about us, without us" appears overblown and
wishful thinking about possession of greater autonomy than exists for any of
us in reality--like it or not.
--JHN
-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Arnold [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 2:52 AM
To: 'John H Noble Jr'; [log in to unmask]
Subject: RE: who should do the research?
One is free to do so, but one is free also to face the moral opprobrium of
being free to do things
that are manifestly wrong.
You are free to trash your hotel room, it does not mean there are no
consequences if you do.
All who defend the right to trespass are actually forgetting the principles
that gave rise to the
whole concept of disability studies in the first place.
You are subjectivising us, putting us under no less than a medical
microscope in terms of the
philosophy driving that urge.
Larry
> -----Original Message-----
> From: The Disability-Research Discussion List
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of John
> H Noble Jr
> Sent: 25 June 2008 02:36
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: who should do the research?
>
> Guess what? Anybody with an interest in doing research on any
> subject is free to do so. The methodologies will vary and the
> amount of resources expended in these endeavors will depend
> on personal wealth or sponsor decisions. That one doesn't
> approve of or like the folks who are doing the research or
> their sponsors causes anger and frustration. Just as freely
> one can choose to read or not the results of the research. No
> single person or entity controls all the research undertaken,
> the results, their acceptance by different audiences, or
> their application. Such are the vagaries of living in a
> democracy. If one wants to go elsewhere to live in a more
> controlled environment, there are other places on earth where
> freedom is curtailed. Last I saw, such places are overwhelmed
> with immigration--legal or illegal.
> --JHN
>
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