hi Mogg and all
indeed, it is going to be hard to get a more rounded picture on this for
some time, not least because a lot of folk from the different camps who
might have sat round a table to talk this time last year will now probably
not do so, for a long time, if ever again.... some of those on opposing
sides of that case have been in the same room to hear me give a talk less
than a year ago, and then we all drunk wine together afterwards in a
perfectly fine and convivial manner, which is suspect is not going to be a
common sight now....
this case is one of the reasons I didn't touch on anything around Order
histories in my History of Magick After Crowley as I kind of knew a big
schism was coming if it went the direction it did....
yes, I reckon the legal analysis angle mentioned by others has some academic
fruit to bear in the short term, but pretty much all of the other lines of
enquiry are going to be a very raw wound for a long time, and thus academics
might not get very far in making enquiries, I think doors are going to be
shut in a lot of faces for a long time, be they academic, practitioner or
those of us who are both
hugely saddening times for scholarship of this area, for Thelema and for
common sense, IMO
dave e
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From: "mandrake" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC] OTO legal case
> Dave
>
> Understood - i'm not sure how its going to be possible to discuss this on
> a list given the level of
> emotion involved in the UK just now - maybe a little time has to pass
> before there can be some "academic" debate.
> IMO there will be long term damage to relationships between magicians of
> different styles -
> its just impossible to understand how otherwise reasonable, intelligent
> people can sit back and allow
> its ruling clique to pursue such a corporatist agenda,
> whose only purpose is to suck the vibrancy out of the Thelemic movement.
>
> 'nuff said
>
> mogg
>
>
>
>
>
>
> D E wrote:
>> given the toruble we had the other week with moving towards a flame war
>> on other topics, thanks everyone for NOT going nuts regarding the recent
>> announcement of the OTO trademark legal case, for example as is reported
>> here: http://abrahadabra.net/2008/06/19/oto-wins-trademark-case/
>>
>> for those who have not heard, in brief it is not about who has legitimate
>> succession or anything of that nature, but it decided the Caliphate OTO
>> are the only ones who can use those contentious initials as a trademark
>> now, in the UK
>>
>> but the judgment is more complex than that....
>>
>> and the resulting fallout has all but killed a non-academic but usually
>> very intelligent e-list that i visit regularly, with several folk whom i
>> had great respect for behaving in bizarre and upsetting ways, up to and
>> including threatening eachother with violence
>>
>> so, thanks for not tearing eachother to pieces about it here as well!
>>
>> If anyone does want to make a thread about it can we *please* keep it
>> stringently academic (perhaps we have some lawyers on the list who can
>> give useful commnet on that angle of the case, for example?) and not take
>> it down to a 'my OTO is better than your OTO' bun-fight
>>
>> dave e
>>
>>
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