I'm not trying to start a class war, Judy. Most manufactured goods in
Britain aren't made by the labour of an impoverished indigenous
working-class by the overseas poor. So in that sense the working-class
has disappeared here because most production has gone to where it is
neither seen nor heard. That's what globalisation means.
Traditional working-class areas in Britain are characterised by
high-dependence on benefits, racial divisions and work in the service
industry if you're lucky.
2008/5/25 judy prince <[log in to unmask]>:
> Anybody out there willing to define, describe---specify---wot "working"
> class means to them, to any of us, to UK'ers, to USAmericans, to
> Australians, to Italians, to Finns? Seems as if your immediately below
> response is a polar flare, but not a linchpin for useful debate. Let me
> read your +considered+ view, huh, Dave?
>
> Judy
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>
>> Roger
>>
>> my terminology was descriptive. I can't make things to be other than
>> they are. I've met lots of these people over the years, some of them
>> are very open and engaging, including Anne-Marie Fyffe for instance,
>> some are dull, some narcissistic and some downright obnoxious, but
>> they are all middle-class, that's an accurate description of their
>> social status.
>> The working-class of course don't exist anymore as they all live in
>> China. Or might as well do so. Or have no jobs at all.
>>
>>
>>
>> 2008/5/25 Roger Collett <[log in to unmask]>:
>>>
>>> Which current British authors would you consider to be working class then
>>> Dave? Good writers that is, worthy of note.
>>>
>>> Roger
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>> Here's an example of the predominant current middle-class narrative of
>>>> poetry in Britain .
>>>>
>>>> http://books.guardian.co.uk/review/story/0,,2281914,00.html
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> David Bircumshaw
>>>> Website and A Chide's Alphabet
>>>> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/
>>>> The Animal Subsides http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html
>>>> Leicester Poetry Society: http://www.poetryleicester.co.uk
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> David Bircumshaw
>> Website and A Chide's Alphabet
>> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/
>> The Animal Subsides http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html
>> Leicester Poetry Society: http://www.poetryleicester.co.uk
>>
>
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David Bircumshaw
Website and A Chide's Alphabet http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/
The Animal Subsides http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html
Leicester Poetry Society: http://www.poetryleicester.co.uk
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