Hi
a couple of people mention Sport England but we feel that it is very
out of date and misleading, doesn't include a whole range of issues,
including some of those mentioned by Rob, so should be used with a
serious health and safety warning!!!! Glad to hear it is going to be
updated though.
Best wishes
Flick
At 10:52 20/05/2008, you wrote:
>I don't know about Scotland but see link to Sport England. Robert It
>specifies that the disabled parking should be as close as possible to the
>entrance. Part M refers you to this document for sports buildings (leisure)
>
>Regards Jane
>
>http://www.sportengland.org/index/get_resources/resource_downloads/design_gu
>idelines.htm
>
>Jane Simpson
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>M: 07777 607239
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>From: Accessibuilt list [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
>Dorothy Wilson
>Sent: 20 May 2008 11:30
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: Accessible Sauna design
>
>Hi,
>Is there specific guidance on recommended best practice in design of leisure
>pools and associated facilities, that could be referred to, particularly in
>relation to Scotland?
>
>Regards,
>Dorothy
>
>
>Bracewell, Robert (20/05/2008 08:09):
> >Flick,
> >
> >As you know I look at everything, and part of the problem with the
> >scheme is that the architects are placing the designated parking at a
> >point which doesn't interfere with the sight line of the building - as
> >"the parking bays won't be used as much as other bays!" A point which my
> >colleagues and I refute - as they aren't the nearest site to the
> >building! The internals, with vertical and horizontal plane separation,
> >contrasting and tactile pool surround, door and door furniture
> >colouration etc. etc. are all on my list as usual. My issue is that this
> >particular firm are making assumptions; e.g. the sauna, that 'disabled'
> >people won't want to use various aspects and are concentrating on the
> >'look' of the building!
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >Rob
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >Rob Bracewell BA (Hons)
> >Access Officer,
> >Forward Planning Team,
> >Planning Services,
> >Lancaster City Council,
> >Palatine Hall,
> >Dalton Square,
> >Lancaster,
> >LA1 1PW
> >Tel. & Minicom. 01524 582372 (please use announcer)
> >Mob. 07792439623
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> >
> >
> >
> >________________________________
> >
> >From: Flick Harris [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> >Sent: 19 May 2008 17:49
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: Re: [ACCESSIBUILT] Accessible Sauna design
> >
> >
> >Hi Rob,
> >
> >Will you be including "changing places" facilities in your proposals?
> >
> >Re. changing rooms, it would be great if you could get the architects to
> >do a rethink about how people use facilities as many leisure centres do
> >require you to move around from place to place for showers, changing
> >facilities, lockers (which are often not accessible as they are often
> >behind benches etc.
> >
> >They often don't consider barriers for visually impaired people in their
> >designs also, which often leads to very few visually impaired people
> >using leisure centres.
> >
> >Best wishes
> >
> >Flick
> >
> >At 11:58 19/05/2008, you wrote:
> >
> >
> > Jane,
> >
> > I tend to use that term anyway, but thanks for the reminder. It
> >isn't a local authority sports centre, it is one based on a campus with
> >public access so I am all over them for everything. They are being a
> >little narky regarding my involvement - which makes me hit them in even
> >more detail, but this is one of the only real areas of weakness in the
> >internals, which is a good start; we won't discuss the car park, which
> >is the main area of dispute - and could stop them getting permission.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Rob
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Rob Bracewell BA (Hons)
> > Access Officer,
> > Forward Planning Team,
> > Planning Services,
> > Lancaster City Council,
> > Palatine Hall,
> > Dalton Square,
> > Lancaster,
> > LA1 1PW
> > Tel. & Minicom. 01524 582372 (please use announcer)
> > Mob. 07792439623
> > Fax. 01524 582322
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >________________________________
> >
> > From: Jane Simpson [ mailto:[log in to unmask]
> ><mailto:[log in to unmask]> ]
> > Sent: 19 May 2008 11:54
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: [ACCESSIBUILT] Accessible Sauna design
> >
> > Robert I would request 'equality in use' which is a more
> >reasonable assessment than 'reasonableness!!
> >
> > Is it a L.A sports centre? If so they will be covered by the
> >statutory duties and this would add further pressure. You should be able
> >to change in the same location as everyone else and I would refer them
> >to B Regs 5.17h and Sport England Guidance which they should be
> >attaining given the building type.
> >
> > Regards Jane
> >
> > Jane Simpson
> > T: 01484 413000
> > M: 07777 607239
> > www.janesimpsonaccess.com <http://www.janesimpsonaccess.com/>
> >
> >
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> > From: Accessibuilt list [ mailto:[log in to unmask]
> ><mailto:[log in to unmask]> ] On Behalf Of Bracewell, Robert
> > Sent: 19 May 2008 11:18
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: Accessible Sauna design
> >
> > Flick/Jane et al,
> >
> > Thanks for the comments, I am trying to pull them together
> >relating to the drawings I have from the architects.
> >
> > The facility in question is just below what I would deem as
> >'reasonable' under the terms of the Act and usage. I also objected to
> >the fact that a wheelchair user, such as myself, would have to change in
> >the swimming pool changing rooms, cross a corridor and access that
> >facility using another door - essentially accessible changing facilities
> >were on the outside of the sauna. I feel that as a minimum I should be
> >able to change inside the very facility I am going to use - particularly
> >in a new build. Fortunately the rest of the team here, including DC & BC
> >officers are very much on my side and we've dug our heels in, so I have
> >support.
> >
> > Any more suggestions would be appreciated, if I manage a good
> >area I'll send it out.
> >
> > Rob
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Rob Bracewell BA (Hons)
> > Access Officer,
> > Forward Planning Team,
> > Planning Services,
> > Lancaster City Council,
> > Palatine Hall,
> > Dalton Square,
> > Lancaster,
> > LA1 1PW
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> > Mob. 07792439623
> > Fax. 01524 582322
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >________________________________
> >
> > From: Flick Harris [ mailto:[log in to unmask]
> ><mailto:[log in to unmask]> ]
> > Sent: 18 May 2008 23:18
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: [ACCESSIBUILT] Accessible Sauna design
> > Hi Rob,
> >
> > Great idea, been wishing for one for years!
> >
> > As well as Jane's good ideas,
> >
> > 1. would also need to be able to lie down in the sauna, so
> >length of board is important, at least one side should be over 6 foot
> >long.
> > 2. also some boards are quite narrow so easy to fall off
> > 3. the arrangements for adding water, adjusting heat etc need
> >to be at an accessible height, not more than 90mm off the floor
> > 4. clear view of the temperature, ie. using a large font where
> >possible
> > 4. the door handles can be difficult to use, so accessible
> >handles should be included
> >
> > I wouldn't take my chair inside, not only because it is too
> >small, but also because unless there was some way of covering it up, the
> >metal would get too hot so for people who can transfer, perhaps a
> >parking space just outside would be useful.
> >
> > Best wishes
> >
> > Flick
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > At 17:42 16/05/2008, you wrote:
> >
> > None that I know of but previously my advice was that whilst it
> >would be unrealistic to expect full access, given the small size, the
> >following was not unreasonable:
> >
> > * There should be level access with enough room to the
> >front for a wheelchair users to access, 1500mm if possible.
> > * There should also be available a chair which is either
> >lined or made of materials which would not overheat.
> > * Assistance for those who may require to transfer to
> >the standard seats and back into their chairs (removal of chair)
> > * A way of raising the alarm for assistance.
> >
> > Given these design parameters, not unreasonable I would have
> >thought, any ones else opinion?
> >
> > Regards Jane
> >
> >
> >
> > Jane Simpson
> > T: 01484 413000
> > M: 07777 607239
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> > From: Accessibuilt list [ <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
> >mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Bracewell, Robert
> > Sent: 16 May 2008 17:09
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Accessible Sauna design
> >
> > Afternoon all,
> >
> > Yes it is Friday and I'm still in the office!
> >
> > Does anyone have any guidance/designs/real-life examples of
> >accessible saunas? I'm locked in battle with the designers of a new
> >sports centre and they have glibly assumed that "disabled people /
> >wheelchair users don't use saunas!" I obviously argue the other side of
> >the coin, but I will need some examples to hit them with.
> >
> > Any ammunition - er - good practice designs etc. gratefully
> >received.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Rob
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Rob Bracewell BA (Hons)
> > Access Officer,
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> > Planning Services,
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