This is very interesting. Maybe continuing with what Gide wrote and you are
quoting, I can say that I find many answers in philosophy and in some
criticism, see Szizek and Derrida, or Nietzsche who was a true genius, or in
Leonardo's notes and ideas or in Caravaggio's paintings, they are surreal
poetry to me.
Poetry therefore to me is intuition, and the more a Man is able to define
what fundamentally is perceived by all (often too painful to unveil or to
face) and to give form to it with words - or with any other means (painting,
sculpture, cinema), that Man is a poet.
On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 7:55 AM, Nathan Hondros <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> What is it? I've always like this by Andre Gidé (from The Counterfeiters)
> about what it should be. He's writing about the novel, but I think the
> quote
> can apply just as well to poetry. Of course, read in the context of the
> rest
> of the novel, it has nothing to do with Christianity - Gidé being an
> important member of the Index Librorum Prohibitorum.
>
> "There is a kind of tragedy, it seems to me, which has hitherto almost
> entirely eluded literature. The novel has dealt with the contrariness of
> fate, good or evil fortune, social relationships, the conflicts of passions
> and of characters - but not with the very essence of man's being.
>
> "And yet, the whole effect of Christianity was to transfer the drama on to
> a
> moral plane. But properly speaking, there are no Christian novels. There
> are
> novels whose purpose is edification; but that has nothing to do with what I
> mean. Moral tragedy - the tragedy, for instance, which gives such terrific
> meaning to the Gospel text: 'If the salt has lost his flavour wherewith
> shall it be salted?' - that is the tragedy with which I am concerned."
>
>
> On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 7:39 AM, TheOldMole <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > Mary Oliver 8-1 -- Second only to Billy in popularity.
> >
> >
> > Barry Alpert wrote:
> >
> >> I might take intriguing bets. Top candidates from my reading of the
> >> context:
> >>
> >>
> >> Jorie Graham / 5-1 / they need a woman, but too many laureates have
> hailed
> >> from (New) England
> >>
> >> Mary Karr / 15-1 / recently took over poetry column in Wash Post
> >> previously penned by pls
> >>
> >> Martin Espada / 20-1 / a Latino doctor, but again (New) England
> >>
> >> Julia Alvarez / 25-1 / alas NE again, & best known for her fiction / I
> >> like her
> >>
> >> Frank Bidart / 30-1 / NE, was clearly being groomed for the position
> but
> >> . . .
> >>
> >> Dana Gioia / 50-1 / a step down, but decision made before the 2008
> >> election, so . . .
> >>
> >> Katia Kapovich / 100-1 / the decider is a Soviet history scholar and
> Simic
> >> benefitted, so . . .
> >>
> >>
> >> Barry Alpert
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, 20 May 2008 11:42:55 -0400, TheOldMole <[log in to unmask]>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> I don't suppose any of the major bookmakers are laying odds...?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> Fifteen candidates will be selected by Gioia, Simic, and previous
> >>>> consultants. The Librarian of
> >>>> Congress, James Billington, will make his final selection from that
> >>>> list. Place your bets now. I'm
> >>>> guessing Jorie Graham, but I was wrong about Frank Bidart last year.
> >>>>
> >>>> Barry Alpert
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> > --
> > Tad Richards
> > http://www.opus40.org/tadrichards/
> > http://opusforty.blogspot.com/
> >
> > The moral is this: in American verse,
> > The better you are, the pay is worse.
> > --Corey Ford
> >
>
>
>
> --
> http://nathanhondros.blogspot.com
>
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