I don't know about Scotland but see link to Sport England. Robert It
specifies that the disabled parking should be as close as possible to the
entrance. Part M refers you to this document for sports buildings (leisure)
Regards Jane
http://www.sportengland.org/index/get_resources/resource_downloads/design_gu
idelines.htm
Jane Simpson
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M: 07777 607239
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From: Accessibuilt list [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
Dorothy Wilson
Sent: 20 May 2008 11:30
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Accessible Sauna design
Hi,
Is there specific guidance on recommended best practice in design of leisure
pools and associated facilities, that could be referred to, particularly in
relation to Scotland?
Regards,
Dorothy
Bracewell, Robert (20/05/2008 08:09):
>Flick,
>
>As you know I look at everything, and part of the problem with the
>scheme is that the architects are placing the designated parking at a
>point which doesn't interfere with the sight line of the building - as
>"the parking bays won't be used as much as other bays!" A point which my
>colleagues and I refute - as they aren't the nearest site to the
>building! The internals, with vertical and horizontal plane separation,
>contrasting and tactile pool surround, door and door furniture
>colouration etc. etc. are all on my list as usual. My issue is that this
>particular firm are making assumptions; e.g. the sauna, that 'disabled'
>people won't want to use various aspects and are concentrating on the
>'look' of the building!
>
>Regards,
>
>Rob
>
>_______________________________________________
>Rob Bracewell BA (Hons)
>Access Officer,
>Forward Planning Team,
>Planning Services,
>Lancaster City Council,
>Palatine Hall,
>Dalton Square,
>Lancaster,
>LA1 1PW
>Tel. & Minicom. 01524 582372 (please use announcer)
>Mob. 07792439623
>Fax. 01524 582322
>
>
>
>________________________________
>
>From: Flick Harris [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>Sent: 19 May 2008 17:49
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: [ACCESSIBUILT] Accessible Sauna design
>
>
>Hi Rob,
>
>Will you be including "changing places" facilities in your proposals?
>
>Re. changing rooms, it would be great if you could get the architects to
>do a rethink about how people use facilities as many leisure centres do
>require you to move around from place to place for showers, changing
>facilities, lockers (which are often not accessible as they are often
>behind benches etc.
>
>They often don't consider barriers for visually impaired people in their
>designs also, which often leads to very few visually impaired people
>using leisure centres.
>
>Best wishes
>
>Flick
>
>At 11:58 19/05/2008, you wrote:
>
>
> Jane,
>
> I tend to use that term anyway, but thanks for the reminder. It
>isn't a local authority sports centre, it is one based on a campus with
>public access so I am all over them for everything. They are being a
>little narky regarding my involvement - which makes me hit them in even
>more detail, but this is one of the only real areas of weakness in the
>internals, which is a good start; we won't discuss the car park, which
>is the main area of dispute - and could stop them getting permission.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Rob
>
> _______________________________________________
> Rob Bracewell BA (Hons)
> Access Officer,
> Forward Planning Team,
> Planning Services,
> Lancaster City Council,
> Palatine Hall,
> Dalton Square,
> Lancaster,
> LA1 1PW
> Tel. & Minicom. 01524 582372 (please use announcer)
> Mob. 07792439623
> Fax. 01524 582322
>
>
>
>
>________________________________
>
> From: Jane Simpson [ mailto:[log in to unmask]
><mailto:[log in to unmask]> ]
> Sent: 19 May 2008 11:54
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [ACCESSIBUILT] Accessible Sauna design
>
> Robert I would request 'equality in use' which is a more
>reasonable assessment than 'reasonableness!!
>
> Is it a L.A sports centre? If so they will be covered by the
>statutory duties and this would add further pressure. You should be able
>to change in the same location as everyone else and I would refer them
>to B Regs 5.17h and Sport England Guidance which they should be
>attaining given the building type.
>
> Regards Jane
>
> Jane Simpson
> T: 01484 413000
> M: 07777 607239
> www.janesimpsonaccess.com <http://www.janesimpsonaccess.com/>
>
>
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> From: Accessibuilt list [ mailto:[log in to unmask]
><mailto:[log in to unmask]> ] On Behalf Of Bracewell, Robert
> Sent: 19 May 2008 11:18
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Accessible Sauna design
>
> Flick/Jane et al,
>
> Thanks for the comments, I am trying to pull them together
>relating to the drawings I have from the architects.
>
> The facility in question is just below what I would deem as
>'reasonable' under the terms of the Act and usage. I also objected to
>the fact that a wheelchair user, such as myself, would have to change in
>the swimming pool changing rooms, cross a corridor and access that
>facility using another door - essentially accessible changing facilities
>were on the outside of the sauna. I feel that as a minimum I should be
>able to change inside the very facility I am going to use - particularly
>in a new build. Fortunately the rest of the team here, including DC & BC
>officers are very much on my side and we've dug our heels in, so I have
>support.
>
> Any more suggestions would be appreciated, if I manage a good
>area I'll send it out.
>
> Rob
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Rob Bracewell BA (Hons)
> Access Officer,
> Forward Planning Team,
> Planning Services,
> Lancaster City Council,
> Palatine Hall,
> Dalton Square,
> Lancaster,
> LA1 1PW
> Tel. & Minicom. 01524 582372 (please use announcer)
> Mob. 07792439623
> Fax. 01524 582322
>
>
>
>
>________________________________
>
> From: Flick Harris [ mailto:[log in to unmask]
><mailto:[log in to unmask]> ]
> Sent: 18 May 2008 23:18
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [ACCESSIBUILT] Accessible Sauna design
> Hi Rob,
>
> Great idea, been wishing for one for years!
>
> As well as Jane's good ideas,
>
> 1. would also need to be able to lie down in the sauna, so
>length of board is important, at least one side should be over 6 foot
>long.
> 2. also some boards are quite narrow so easy to fall off
> 3. the arrangements for adding water, adjusting heat etc need
>to be at an accessible height, not more than 90mm off the floor
> 4. clear view of the temperature, ie. using a large font where
>possible
> 4. the door handles can be difficult to use, so accessible
>handles should be included
>
> I wouldn't take my chair inside, not only because it is too
>small, but also because unless there was some way of covering it up, the
>metal would get too hot so for people who can transfer, perhaps a
>parking space just outside would be useful.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Flick
>
>
>
>
> At 17:42 16/05/2008, you wrote:
>
> None that I know of but previously my advice was that whilst it
>would be unrealistic to expect full access, given the small size, the
>following was not unreasonable:
>
> * There should be level access with enough room to the
>front for a wheelchair users to access, 1500mm if possible.
> * There should also be available a chair which is either
>lined or made of materials which would not overheat.
> * Assistance for those who may require to transfer to
>the standard seats and back into their chairs (removal of chair)
> * A way of raising the alarm for assistance.
>
> Given these design parameters, not unreasonable I would have
>thought, any ones else opinion?
>
> Regards Jane
>
>
>
> Jane Simpson
> T: 01484 413000
> M: 07777 607239
> www.janesimpsonaccess.com <http://www.janesimpsonaccess.com/>
>
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> From: Accessibuilt list [ <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Bracewell, Robert
> Sent: 16 May 2008 17:09
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Accessible Sauna design
>
> Afternoon all,
>
> Yes it is Friday and I'm still in the office!
>
> Does anyone have any guidance/designs/real-life examples of
>accessible saunas? I'm locked in battle with the designers of a new
>sports centre and they have glibly assumed that "disabled people /
>wheelchair users don't use saunas!" I obviously argue the other side of
>the coin, but I will need some examples to hit them with.
>
> Any ammunition - er - good practice designs etc. gratefully
>received.
>
> Regards,
>
> Rob
>
> _______________________________________________
> Rob Bracewell BA (Hons)
> Access Officer,
> Forward Planning Team,
> Planning Services,
> Lancaster City Council,
> Palatine Hall,
> Dalton Square,
> Lancaster,
> LA1 1PW
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