For Heaven's sake Adrian you ought to know that you are in my estimation along with your traditional
Church heretics from an early time, though not having your knowledge of Church Councils, I can't
tell you from exactly when :)
It does get a little ludicrous when different traditions have different processes for canonisation
and only recognise a particular subset of "saints"
It may well be that George as a Roman legionary was at some time posted to Brittania, but I will
tell you this much I prefer him to Santiago Matamoros.
Incidentallty, schisms apart I was recently reading about the old believers in Russia, it seems that
after all they were more faithful to original liturgies than the "reformed" orthodox Church.
Whatever it is Ethiopia who keep the most ancient version of the calendar, and quite possibly (I
believe so) that is where the ark of the Covenant resides today.
For all our differences as to what constitutes Apostolic succession I am not going to doubt your
sincerity as a believer, but I think you sometimes get more than a little Aspie over your
perseveration on details.
My patron saint was Roman too, Laurentius, before the schism so we can both celebrate his martyrdom.
Incidentally how is it this year that Easter fell so far from Passover?
Larry
> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: 24 April 2008 21:10
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> Subject: Re: [politicsofautism] HAPPY ST GEORGE's DAY!!!
>
> Dear all
>
> I have ccd this to Vladimir Moss, a leading expert, for him
> to correct any inaccuracies.
>
> No, in fact the patron saints, as established at the Council
> of Chelsea in
> 759 (if memory serves) of England are:
>
> 1. Gregory the Great, Pope of Rome, who sent
>
> 2. St. Augustine, First Archbishop of Canterbury, Apostle to
> the English; and
>
> 3. Hieromartyr, Boniface of Crediton, Archbishop of Mainz,
> and Apostle to the Germans.
>
> Interestingly enough part of Chelsea and its environs
> remained part of the Royal Demesne through to the reign of
> St. Edward the Confessor (died 1066) (and to whom I am
> related via Margaret of Scotland and Robert the Bruce).
> The Royal Arms of the time, a Single Lion holding a bishop's
> stave, are still in use by a descendant of his, Viscount
> Chelsea. The then Viscount Chelsea allowed it to be used by
> Chelsea Football Club in its arms and badge, when it was
> founded in 1905. This club is on ground which formed part of
> the Royal Demesne at Chelsea. Given the presence of Stamford
> Brook there (hence Stamford Bridge), this is quite likely to
> be the exact location of the Council of Chelsea. The current
> Club Badge is based on this lion holding a bishop's stave, as
> has been stated in official publications (including club
> programmes). So, actually, as a lifelong supporter of my most
> local club I am very happy that it has the most holy and
> exalted English origins in its club badge (in contrast with
> the evil evocation of the devil by the Red Devils, Manchester
> United). The Council of Chelsea is widely regarded as the
> southern equivalent of the Synod of Whitby which confirmed
> the universal Christian calendar and Easter celebration dates
> (in line with the First Ecumenical (or Universal) Council at
> Nicaea confirmed by every other Ecumenical Council since.
> This is currently 13 days behind the current global civil
> calendar. It is still used as the Civil Calendar on Mount
> Athos, Greece.
>
> Edward the Confessor's deathbed prophecy, properly
> understood, stated that Orthodox England would be destroyed
> and a false king, bishops and nobles would be crowned a year
> and a day after his death. The date of the crowning of the
> Romanist (more correct than "Roman Catholic" (and therefore
> pseudo-Christian) false king of England, Guillaume Le Batard
> (William the Bastard). It also indicates an eventual, though
> very distant, restoration.
> This has not yet happened.
>
> The "Three Lions" (on a shirt, nowadays) - and notably
> without the bishop's stave would seem to be added to
> represent the Plantagenet dynasty (itself an offshoot of the
> Normans). It was the Romanist crusaders who invoked St.
> George's aid in their successful siege of Antioch during the
> Crusades. These Normans then imposed him as "England's Patron Saint".
>
> All of this is a matter of public record.
>
> So it's time English Heritage improved its research!
>
> Yours
>
> Adrian
>
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