Dear Mr./Ms. Evans,
Thanks for your interest in this topic. I will try to make my answer
brief and clear.
1, As I have mentioned in the mail sent to you 1 hour before, it's
inappropriate to use the two terms parallelly. We are geographers, so
the term and its content should be made unambiguous.
2, To be frank, I can't give you an answer. It involves so many
players. It has exceeded my capacity to draw a conclusion based on
limited information.
3, I don't know others, but I am sure you are not 'buying' something
here. So far, discussion on this forum is open.
4, Yes, I love my country. But I never think about 'supporting one
own's national government uncritically and unreservedly'. And I also
guess that is not very popular among oversea Chinese students. As I
had said at least 2 times yesterday, critics in Chinese forums are
wide spread and quite open. I am sorry it was not in English, but it
do exist in this world.
Best wishes,
Yannan Ding
Quoting Yara Evans <[log in to unmask]>:
>> Hi all there
>> Perhaps it would be opportune here to ask for members of the list of
>> whatever persuasion to enlighten us who seem to suffer from lack of
>> documental evidence: what is actually China doing in Tibet?
>> How should we interpret its presence there?
>> Moreover, how should we interpret an 'apparent' resistance by Tibetans
>> to its presence there?
>> Should we just 'buy' China's official line on this or are we
>> intelligent and critical enough to read evidence from everywhere else
>> as providing meaningful 'proof'?
>> And why does criticising one own's government seems to make one unpatriotic?
>> Besides, what does patriotic mean anyway? does it mean supporting one
>> own's national government uncritically and unreservedly? does it mean
>> condoning one own's government actions, especially in other
>> territories, regardless?
>> just a few thoughts
>> Yara
>>
>>
>> Quoting Yannan Ding <[log in to unmask]>:
>>
>>> Dear Mr, Wood,
>>> Glad to hear from you, since I didn't get any reply from you since the
>>> last time when I questioned you how could you relate my email to 'the
>>> official message from the Chinese imperial hegemony'. Perhaps you need
>>> time to collect information that I might be under control from someone
>>> representing the 'imperial hegemony', I thought. One weeks has passed,
>>> could you please prove to me, and to all the members on this list, your
>>> inference? If you can't, will you admit that you were doing something
>>> unreasonable and unreliable?
>>> By the way, I am also interested in your definition of 'recognised
>>> nternationally as a sovereign nation'. I would appreciate very much if
>>> you can provide us with official documents to support your oppinon.
>>> Please don't tell me the 'imposed' attitutde is not the one held by the
>>> people, that would only be a lie, or in another case, proving the split
>>> of the official and public oppinion, which in itself an irony.
>>> I would also like to congratulate you on talking about 'whatever the
>>> imposed facts on the ground'. Believe me that I understand the feeling
>>> of moral supriority, but I was really astonished that as a British
>>> gentelman you would admit such a dillema in your identity. Does that
>>> mean what you claimed is not the real intention of your heart?
>>>
>>>
>>> With respect,
>>> Yannan Ding
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Quoting D F J Wood <[log in to unmask]>:
>>>
>>>> And if you want to be 'more reliable', you might also like to stop
>>>> refering to the Tibetan government as 'local' and the Chinese government
>>>> as 'central'. The Tibetan government was and is recognised
>>>> internationally as a sovereign nation under occupation, whatever the
>>>> imposed facts on the ground.
>>>>
>>>> David.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: A forum for critical and radical geographers
>>>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Yannan Ding
>>>>> Sent: 07 April 2008 15:15
>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>> Subject: Re: Help me support Team Tibet!
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>> One fact I would like to point out: there was NO civil war
>>>>> involving the local government in Lhasa and the central
>>>>> government in year 1949, which was quoted in the email we got.
>>>>> So far as I have read, the battle of Changdu was broken on
>>>>> Oct. 6, 1950. By the year of 1949, CPC was still under civil
>>>>> war with KMT in some parts of south China.
>>>>> I do hope the author of that email and its alike could be
>>>>> more reliable.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>> Yannan Ding
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Quoting Andrew Law <[log in to unmask]>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear Friend,=0D=0A=0D=0AI just signed up as a Team Tibet
>>>>> supporter at
>>>>>> www.= supportteamtibet.org. I hope you will also take this important
>>>>>> action to h= elp Tibet! Click here to join:
>>>>>> www.supportteamtibet.org/supporter/new.=0D=
>>>>>> =0A=0D=0ATibet has been occupied by China since 1949. Human rights
>>>>>> abuses= are widespread in Tibet, and thousands of Tibetans
>>>>> flee their
>>>>>> homeland ev= ery year as refugees.=0D=0A=0D=0ATeam Tibet is
>>>>> using the
>>>>>> Beijing 2008 Olym= pics to focus a spotlight on China, pressing for
>>>>>> meaningful change in Tibe= t. At its core, the Team is made up of
>>>>>> Tibetan athletes in exile who dream= of participating in
>>>>> the Olympics
>>>>>> alongside other nations. They are suppor= ted by a movement of
>>>>>> individuals everywhere who believe in a political sol= ution to
>>>>>> Tibet\'s occupation and want their voices to be heard in
>>>>> support= of
>>>>>> that goal.=0D=0A=0D=0AJoin Team Tibet today, and help us
>>>>> make history=
>>>>>> in 2008! Click here to become a supporter now:
>>>>>> http://supportteamtibet.or=
>>>>>> g/supporter/new.=0D=0A=0D=0ASincerely,=0D=0AAndrew Law
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Yannan Ding
>>>>> Doctoral student
>>>>> Institute for Social and Economic Geography KU Leuven Belgium
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Yannan Ding
>>> Doctoral student
>>> Institute for Social and Economic Geography
>>> KU Leuven
>>> Belgium
>>>
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> Yannan Ding
> Doctoral student
> Institute for Social and Economic Geography
> KU Leuven
> Belgium
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Doctoral student
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KU Leuven
Belgium
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