No problem,  I am flattered.

Your university should have a booklet on how to quote stuff from listservs.

Roger

On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 11:32 AM, kasper salonen <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Roger, would it be ok to quote you briefly -- if the need should arise
>  -- in the essay I need to write on Pound/Vorticism?
>
>  in fact, what would the academic quoting rule for this list be?
>  there's a bibliography citation system for listservs too, I should
>  imagine.
>
>  but just in theory at this point. great discussion this
>
>
>  KS
>
>  On 09/04/2008, Roger Day <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>
> > Pound is basically re-working and riffing from Apollinaire's writing,
>  >  the latter developing his theories from  criticising the Cubists,
>  >  Braque and Picasso. "Superposition" is the "simultaneity" of Cubist
>  >  painting reworked for poetry. Unfortunately, Pound barely acknowledges
>  >  Apollinaire probably due to the formers anti-semitism and just plain
>  >  rivalry as the movers of different groups - but this, given the times
>  >  and EPs issues, is probably to be expected.
>  >
>  >  I like the way poetry, critical writing, theory, and the plastic arts
>  >  are intermingling at this point, boundaries crossed willy-nilly. Pound
>  >  is going where the honey is, regardless of it's origin. I notice a
>  >  tendency in these threads to restrict the narrative to poetry, an
>  >  unwillingness to cross the boundary? Does anyone know of any theorists
>  >  or artists or critics who are working across the boundaries these
>  >  days?
>  >
>  >  The Russian correspondent you quote has it about right. What is going
>  >  on is a radical re-working of how art approaches the object/subject.
>  >  It is far more than just tinkering with new verse structures, a new
>  >  painting style. It is the biggest break in art since the Renaissance;
>  >  I would also say, the biggest break since people were painting the
>  >  insides of caves. I think it is the same for poetry. It would be an
>  >  interesting task to undertake a survey of just how the poetic personae
>  >  manifested itself in poetry over the years; whether there are
>  >  parallels with the Renaissance artistic revolution, for example. As I
>  >  said before, it's more than just re-arranging the flower-pots.
>  >
>  >  Pound and Eliot were more than just accidental revolutionaries. They
>  >  fed off the discoveries of Picasso who I thought was an "accidental
>  >  revolutionary". Now I'm not so sure: Picasso had a prodigious talent
>  >  and he happened to be in the right place at the right time wrt Braque
>  >  and Cezanne but the introduction of the camera pretty much guaranteed
>  >  that art would have to look elsewhere for it's day to day production
>  >  methods. For me, the camera took over from painting as a means of
>  >  merely recording subjects, it's perfect rendering of illusionistic
>  >  space rendered illusionistic painting redundant. I've always thought
>  >  that the biggest shock was the way in which the camera was used to
>  >  figure out how a horse galloped. Thousands of years of painting and no
>  >  one got it right. I have no proof, these are just my ramblings;
>  >  mentioning this stuff to fine artists will usually lead to blank
>  >  looks.
>  >
>  >  Thank you, Kasper for bringing the essay up at this point.
>  >
>  >  And I agree with you Janet: Patrick truly is an original. I look
>  >  forward to his collected.
>  >
>  >
>  >  Roger
>  >
>  >
>  >  On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 3:23 AM, Janet Jackson <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>  >  > On 09/04/2008, kasper salonen <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>  >  >  > thanks; but I find Pound's own essay even more illuminating:
>  >  >  >
>  >  >  >  http://www.fullposter.com/snippets.php?snippet=133
>  >  >
>  >  >  Thanks for the link, Kasper. And the rest of you for an interesting read.
>  >  >
>  >  >  I'm not sure we (poets) have got anywhere since Pound said all this.
>  >  >  Possibly there isn't anywhere else to go.
>  >  >  I do at times get the feeling that everything has been done.
>  >  >  No, I'm wrong. There is one poet on this list who seems to me to be
>  >  >  truly original and that is Patrick.
>  >  >
>  >  >  My favourite part of Pound's essay is the quote from the Russian
>  >  >  correspondent: "I see, you wish to give people new eyes, not to make
>  >  >  them see some new particular thing."
>  >  >
>  >  >  Janet
>  >
>  >
>  >



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