Hi,
I think you'll find that a civil parish is a local government area in which a parish council has some role in administration. A 'non-civil parish' is likely to be an ecclesiastical parish (ie post-Reformation a CoE parish).
In many urban areas parish councils do not have any role in administration.
Chris
>>> "CARLISLE, Philip" <[log in to unmask]> 14/04/2008 09:46 >>>
Dear all,
With regards to English Heritage's 'up-to-date' list of parishes, this is due to the fact that we periodically receive notifications from the DCLG (and its predecessors) in the form of the 'Bulletin of changes to local authority electoral arrangements, areas and names in England'.
These changes are implemented in our systems (AMIE, LBS and RSM) by adding the new parish and switching off the old one(s) whilst still retaining it in the system.
The difference between a parish and a non-civil parish may be down to the fact that when the orders to create a parish are issued by the Secretary of State they say something along the lines of 'The order created a new parish of ******. The order directed ******** District Council to establish a parish council for the new parish'
Maybe therefore non-civil parishes don't have parish councils.
That is purely a guess though!
Phil
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From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Nick Boldrini
Sent: 14 April 2008 08:48
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Subject: Re: Changes to parishes etc - how does everyone cope with this?
Hi Sarah & others
WRT historic parishes- - there is the Historic Parishes of England and by Kain and Olliver - we got this on CD as PDFs ages ago and I recall that there were plans to GIS them and make them available, more info is at http://www.data-archive.ac.uk/findingData/snDescription.asp?sn=4828&key=maps&catg=xmlAll
might be useful, haven't pursued it further (its on my list.....)
best wishes
Nick Boldrini
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>>> Poppy Sarah <[log in to unmask]> 11/04/2008 19:01 >>>
Hi Helen
I do exactly the same as Nick - relying on GIS to provide updates to parish boundaries, updating HER records accordingly to show the current parish or non parish admin area, and using current parishes for filing purposes. I would welcome a historic parish GIS layer for reference, which will be a task one rainy day when there is nothing more pressing to do.
Its another question which I don't know the answer to as to how the Heritage Gateway handles non parish areas as recorded in HBSMR. I would imagine the Gateway search list is derived from the Civil Parish list (http://www.fish-forum.info/i_ecp.htm) which was current in 1998, and which has all punctuation removed. Its a very good point actually, we have a newly established parish which doesn't actually appear on the search list at all. Cat or Crispin might be able to shed some more light?
Cheers
sarah
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Subject: Re: Changes to parishes etc - how does everyone cope with this?
Hi Helen
not sure if you have had many responses to this but here goes.
This has happened to us to - we have had some parishes merge over time, and some even split.
Generally I rely on our GIS team updating this, and noticing that the parishes have changed (it doesn't happen that often) when editing data.
Not sure what the difference between parish types is, but am not greatly concerned as the main reason we log parishes is to help with filing (our system is parish based).
We kept old parishes as non-current in our system, but to be honest I am increasingly wondering why we record this, as it is extremely rare that people ask for records by parish - its usually map defined these days.
hope that helps
best wishes
Nick Boldrini
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>>> "Helen Wells (archaeology)" <[log in to unmask]> 10/04/2008 11:54 >>>
Hello,
Whilst checking through our data I discovered changes to parishes, such
as the parish of Stretton Magna being consumed by Little Stretton
(ironically). I've changed the records on our HER but I wondered how
other people cope with this. I noticed that English Heritage's
searchable websites no longer have Stretton Magna but do have Little
Stretton, so their stuff is more up to date than ours... Do people get
notifications from somewhere when parishes change? I only noticed the
changes when I used the 'query tool' on the parish layer we're provided
centrally. I presume we have to have our parish data up to date to
enable cross searching when we get onto the Gateway...
Also, some parishes have become 'non civil parishes' - Oadby and Wigston
is no longer two parishes but rather one large 'non civil parish'. Does
anyone know what this is? The EH data seems to have a 'parish' called
Oadby and Wigston, which pulls everything up, so there's no
differentiation on the Gateway between 'non civil parish' and normal
parish. Is a non civil parish still a parish? I have no idea! :)
I hope this makes some sense. At present we're thinking we'll change
any old parishes to be 'not current' on our system and possibly add
'NCP' to the names of the things that aren't parishes. Most of the
'NCPs' seem to be old parishes rather than merged things like Oadby and
Wigston. Hopefully this is the most sensible thing to do... If anyone
can work out what I mean I'd value your thoughts.
Thanks,
Helen Wells
Assistant Planning Archaeologist/Historic Environment Record Officer
Leicestershire County Council
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