Dear Ms. Putnam,
First I have to say sorry to you for mistaking your gender.
Now we all see not only the place but also the name, term or
features can be complex. Example: it's very easy to evoke the feeling
of suppression or invasion when the two terms of 'Tibet' and 'China'
are used seperately and parallelly. Isn't it?
However, if the intention was to talk about the relation between
national entities, the majority in China is Han, rather than
'Chinese'. Unfortunately, the latter was more often used in the
Western language instead of the former. There are 56 different nations
in China but not a single nation called Chinese. China is refering to
the sovereign state, and in this line I used the term of central and
local government instead of Chinese and Tibetan government. I hope
this could have answered the first question.
Second, please refer to the context of my argument. It was Mr. Wood
who initiated the debate on 'imposed' facts. However, he didn't
provide us with the evidence from which he draw the conclusion of
'recognised internationally'. I respect independent opinions but I
won't respect presumed fallacies. We have seen enough the intention to
manipulate the public opinion (as here on this mailing list) time
after time on the base of problematic facts.
With respect,
Yannan Ding
Quoting Heather Putnam <[log in to unmask]>:
> Dear Dr. Ying,
> Looking forward to reading your reply. I think it would be
> interesting for the conversation to remain on the FORUM.
> (It is Ms. Putnam, rather than Mr.)
> Thanks,
> H.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Yannan Ding <[log in to unmask]>
> To: Heather Putnam <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Monday, April 7, 2008 5:06:12 PM
> Subject: Re: Help me support Team Tibet!
>
> Dear Mr. Putnam,
> I got your mail. I will reply to you later, since I have a lesson
> tonight at 7 pm.
>
>
> Best,
> Yannan Ding
>
>
>
> Quoting Heather Putnam <[log in to unmask]>:
>
>> Mr. Ding,
>> Now I am really curious--can you tell us two things:
>>
>> 1) What your own idea that the 'imposed attitude' is indeed held by
>> the people is based on? I imagine that you are both right, that
>> people on the ground there in Tibet both do agree and and do not
>> with 'official' or 'centralized' attitudes. Maybe we can have a
>> more nuanced conversation about this. We are geographers. We know
>> that place is always complex.
>> 2) Why is the 'split of the official and public opinion' 'an irony',
>> as you say?
>>
>> Cheers!
>> Heather Putnam
>>
>> ________________________________________________________
>> Heather R. Putnam
>> PhD Student, Geography
>> The University of Kansas
>> www.geog.ku.edu
>> My blog: heatherandavaga.blogspot.com
>>
>> Don't wait for strangers to remind you of your duty,
>> you have a conscience and a spirit for that.
>> All the good you do must come from your own initiative.
>> -Popul Vuh
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Yannan Ding <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Sent: Monday, April 7, 2008 3:45:58 PM
>> Subject: Re: Help me support Team Tibet!
>>
>> Dear Mr, Wood,
>> Glad to hear from you, since I didn't get any reply from you since
>> the last time when I questioned you how could you relate my email to
>> 'the official message from the Chinese imperial hegemony'. Perhaps you
>> need time to collect information that I might be under control from
>> someone representing the 'imperial hegemony', I thought. One weeks has
>> passed, could you please prove to me, and to all the members on this
>> list, your inference? If you can't, will you admit that you were doing
>> something unreasonable and unreliable?
>> By the way, I am also interested in your definition of 'recognised
>> nternationally as a sovereign nation'. I would appreciate very much if
>> you can provide us with official documents to support your oppinon.
>> Please don't tell me the 'imposed' attitutde is not the one held by
>> the people, that would only be a lie, or in another case, proving the
>> split of the official and public oppinion, which in itself an irony.
>> I would also like to congratulate you on talking about 'whatever the
>> imposed facts on the ground'. Believe me that I understand the
>> feeling of moral supriority, but I was really astonished that as a
>> British gentelman you would admit such a dillema in your identity.
>> Does that mean what you claimed is not the real intention of your heart?
>>
>>
>> With respect,
>> Yannan Ding
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Quoting D F J Wood <[log in to unmask]>:
>>
>>> And if you want to be 'more reliable', you might also like to stop
>>> refering to the Tibetan government as 'local' and the Chinese government
>>> as 'central'. The Tibetan government was and is recognised
>>> internationally as a sovereign nation under occupation, whatever the
>>> imposed facts on the ground.
>>>
>>> David.
>>>
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: A forum for critical and radical geographers
>>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Yannan Ding
>>>> Sent: 07 April 2008 15:15
>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>> Subject: Re: Help me support Team Tibet!
>>>>
>>>> Dear all,
>>>> One fact I would like to point out: there was NO civil war
>>>> involving the local government in Lhasa and the central
>>>> government in year 1949, which was quoted in the email we got.
>>>> So far as I have read, the battle of Changdu was broken on
>>>> Oct. 6, 1950. By the year of 1949, CPC was still under civil
>>>> war with KMT in some parts of south China.
>>>> I do hope the author of that email and its alike could be
>>>> more reliable.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>> Yannan Ding
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Quoting Andrew Law <[log in to unmask]>:
>>>>
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>>>> flee their
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>>>> using the
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Yannan Ding
>>>> Doctoral student
>>>> Institute for Social and Economic Geography KU Leuven Belgium
>>>>
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>> Institute for Social and Economic Geography
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