Yannan,
Your responses do bear a remarkable resemblance to the official Chinese
state position. Do you deny this? I wonder if you can even consider the
possibility that they and you might be wrong? I could indeed be wrong,
but my friends in both the Chinese democracy movement and the Free Tibet
movement give me a very different picture from you - and one which
includes suppresson of free expression, false imprisonment, torture,
forced labour, forced sterilization of women, and murder. No doubt they
are CIA placemen, subversives and splittists though...
However, they cannot even express their views openly in China - unlike
you here. Perhaps you should appreciate the irony of being given a
platform for your views attacking those who are not allowed to express
theirs by the government the coutnry you defend.
And moral superiority? Well, I do try to consider things ethically, and
have not to my knowledge actively supported the oppression or killing or
any more vulnerable people by a more powerful nation. As a critical
geographer, I consider it my ethical duty to speak truth to power. I can
see neither ethics nor critique in your position.
David.
PS: I did not reply to your last message because it was personal and not
on the forum. I do not take well to personal intimidation. If you have
something to say about what goes on in public, say it in public, please.
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Yannan Ding [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>Sent: 07 April 2008 15:46
>To: D F J Wood
>Cc: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: Help me support Team Tibet!
>
>Dear Mr, Wood,
> Glad to hear from you, since I didn't get any reply from you
>since the last time when I questioned you how could you relate
>my email to 'the official message from the Chinese imperial
>hegemony'. Perhaps you need time to collect information that I
>might be under control from someone representing the 'imperial
>hegemony', I thought. One weeks has passed, could you please
>prove to me, and to all the members on this list, your
>inference? If you can't, will you admit that you were doing
>something unreasonable and unreliable?
> By the way, I am also interested in your definition of
>'recognised nternationally as a sovereign nation'. I would
>appreciate very much if you can provide us with official
>documents to support your oppinon.
>Please don't tell me the 'imposed' attitutde is not the one
>held by the people, that would only be a lie, or in another
>case, proving the split of the official and public oppinion,
>which in itself an irony.
> I would also like to congratulate you on talking about 'whatever the
> imposed facts on the ground'. Believe me that I understand
>the feeling of moral supriority, but I was really astonished
>that as a British gentelman you would admit such a dillema in
>your identity.
>Does that mean what you claimed is not the real intention of
>your heart?
>
>
>With respect,
>Yannan Ding
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Quoting D F J Wood <[log in to unmask]>:
>
>> And if you want to be 'more reliable', you might also like to stop
>> refering to the Tibetan government as 'local' and the Chinese
>> government as 'central'. The Tibetan government was and is
>recognised
>> internationally as a sovereign nation under occupation, whatever the
>> imposed facts on the ground.
>>
>> David.
>>
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: A forum for critical and radical geographers
>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Yannan Ding
>>> Sent: 07 April 2008 15:15
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: Re: Help me support Team Tibet!
>>>
>>> Dear all,
>>> One fact I would like to point out: there was NO civil war
>involving
>>> the local government in Lhasa and the central government in year
>>> 1949, which was quoted in the email we got.
>>> So far as I have read, the battle of Changdu was broken on Oct. 6,
>>> 1950. By the year of 1949, CPC was still under civil war
>with KMT in
>>> some parts of south China.
>>> I do hope the author of that email and its alike could be more
>>> reliable.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Yannan Ding
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Quoting Andrew Law <[log in to unmask]>:
>>>
>>>> Dear Friend,=0D=0A=0D=0AI just signed up as a Team Tibet
>>> supporter at
>>>> www.= supportteamtibet.org. I hope you will also take this
>important
>>>> action to h= elp Tibet! Click here to join:
>>>> www.supportteamtibet.org/supporter/new.=0D=
>>>> =0A=0D=0ATibet has been occupied by China since 1949. Human rights
>>>> abuses= are widespread in Tibet, and thousands of Tibetans
>>> flee their
>>>> homeland ev= ery year as refugees.=0D=0A=0D=0ATeam Tibet is
>>> using the
>>>> Beijing 2008 Olym= pics to focus a spotlight on China,
>pressing for
>>>> meaningful change in Tibe= t. At its core, the Team is made up of
>>>> Tibetan athletes in exile who dream= of participating in
>>> the Olympics
>>>> alongside other nations. They are suppor= ted by a movement of
>>>> individuals everywhere who believe in a political sol= ution to
>>>> Tibet\'s occupation and want their voices to be heard in
>>> support= of
>>>> that goal.=0D=0A=0D=0AJoin Team Tibet today, and help us
>>> make history=
>>>> in 2008! Click here to become a supporter now:
>>>> http://supportteamtibet.or=
>>>> g/supporter/new.=0D=0A=0D=0ASincerely,=0D=0AAndrew Law
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Yannan Ding
>>> Doctoral student
>>> Institute for Social and Economic Geography KU Leuven Belgium
>>>
>>> Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm
>>>
>>
>>
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>
>
>--
>Yannan Ding
>Doctoral student
>Institute for Social and Economic Geography KU Leuven Belgium
>
>Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm
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