Marcus..
I'm not sure where to start, and didn't understand a couple of your
points...but:
1. You'll find that museums *do* have an idea of digital strategy, and are
(usually) following some kind of roadmap in this regard. The conversation
and technology might be rapid but you'll usually find that digital outreach
is pretty well aligned with museum mission and strategy, and measured in
pace, too. You might have people like me hopping around saying "try this -
it's great" but at the core is usually a "lowest common denominator"
approach that you mention, and that's a very good thing..
2. There is *real* evidence that content-rich areas of museum sites are
growing massively while static "visit only" areas are dropping: Online
*works* for museums. People are (sometimes) looking for content, and
consistently finding it - and (gasp) having fun with it - online.
Launchball, for example, pushes the boundaries in technology and engagement
terms. Without the extended work by the creative teams at museums like SciM,
NHM and many others, we'd still be in the dark ages, technically. When it is
done well, audiences engage with our content (and us), appreciate it, and
learn things too.
3. There really does need to be some clarity around scales of budget. Again,
taking Launchpad: the sponsorship by Shell was in the region of £2m (
http://tinyurl.com/yo844m) for the physical gallery. The Launchball game was
not even *vaguely* in this ballpark in funding terms (I know, I bid for it).
Many of the digital projects and ideas I've been involved in have been cheap
or free, and often better for it. The sooner we step away from the
assumption that "digital projects are always expensive", or worse "taking
money away from the REAL museum", the better.
4. Yes, there have been (and probably continue to be) "bad" investments in
digital stuff, but show me a museum without a "funding black hole" physical
exhibition or gallery, and I'll buy you a pint...
5. "Digital value" EQUALS "personal matters", surely...?
6. One of the massively, HUGELY misunderstood things about the "whole web2
thing" has been touched on by Andy Powell in a previous email. This isn't
just about "surface" stuff: under the hood the "distributed web" (a core
part of web2) is genuinely starting to put stakes in the ground that form a
solid framework upon which to build. This isn't recognised as such nearly
often enough.
I can't possibly comment on RFID. It still seems the blindingly obvious
thing to do to me, but hey, I'll leave it with the curators to sort
out...(by which time it'll be 2054 and they'll have lost ALL the objects
rather than just some of them so it won't matter anyway..)
Which leads to my final point: if we actually got on and DID SOME OF THIS
STUFF then we might stand half a chance of getting somewhere with it BEFORE
IT BECAME A FAD?
ta.
Mike
ps. I'm over 30, too...
>>
I would like to side with Nick.
>
> Being over 30 and having worked at early adopter and promoting insitutions
> such as the Royal College of Arts, London Design Interaction MA and
> Dublins Medialab Europe, I cant help but be very bored by the push of new
> technology without really having an agenda for why we are really doing
> this as museums (am now working at Science Museum and having previously
> being working at the Natural History Museum in London).
>
> The result is always the same. Museums while getting their budgets cut by
> the government, end up paying nearly double to private companies, to stay
> afloat with their new media services or selling reputation away by getting
> in sponsors to pay for aforementioned services, e.g. Shell.
>
> And then their is the continous discussion of the latest fad. "Lets get
> everything tagged with RFID", "lets rebuild the museum in second life or
> on facebook". And two months later suddenly the numbers of commercial(!)
> fads like facebook and second life dont look so rosy anymore (anyone ever
> met ANYONE in the second life American Apparell shop??)
>
> If museums keep failing at building digital value out of their assets,
> because many seem to be more concerned about personal matters, then we
> will see a time where the government is not sponsoring places of culture
> and education anymore, but sponsoring advertising and green appearance for
> the private sector.
>
> We have to start looking into solutions with the lowest common denominator
> and that are future proof and not at this weeks tech craze for the
> uneducated teen who knows nothing but phones and facebook apps
>
> Marcus
>
>
>
> > Hi Nick et al
> >
> > This is a fascinating conversation that is echoed all over the museum
> > world.
> >
> > I'll take you up on only one thing - getting towards the over 35
> category
> > myself in just a few days (well, 35 actually) I agree with you on
> overload
> > and the need for 'packaging' . . . But . . .
> >
> >>People *do* want websites - because we have a consumer population that
> >> are
> >>used to information being packaged and presented, and they are used to
> >> making
> >>qualitative decisions about the value of that information based on brand
> >> and
> >>credibility.
> >
> > I think it is naïve to assume that museums, themselves, will be the
> > websites where consumers get their museum information in the future.
> > Particularly for the smaller museums it may be that they better serve
> > their audiences by having their content aggregated by bigger fish - fish
> > that might not even be, shock horror, British. (Although I expect the
> > reality is that someone like the BBC is best placed to interlink
> > everything - as are most large media).
> >
> > This is not going to be the case in the immediate future but as soon as
> we
> > start seeing mobile *really* happen then the idea of 'visiting a museum
> > website to look at something' becomes less and less likely.
> >
> > More on that for anyone who bails me up in Montreal at MW08. I will have
> > with me some shiny new prototypes to demonstrate exactly what I mean . .
> .
> >
> > Seb
> >
> >
> > Sebastian Chan
> > Manager, Web Services
> > Powerhouse Museum
> > street - 500 Harris St Ultimo, NSW Australia
> > postal - PO Box K346, Haymarket, NSW 1238
> > tel - 61 2 9217 0109
> > fax - 61 2 9217 0689
> > e - [log in to unmask]
> > w - www.powerhousemuseum.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Museums Computer Group [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> Nick
> > Poole
> > Sent: Thursday, 27 March 2008 11:49 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: The speculative aspect of using Web 2 [was: British Postal
> > Museum & Archive Wiki]
> >
> > Mike,
> >
> > Thanks for this. I want to check something though, to do with your
> > assertion:
> >
> >> More importantly we're also *still* (after all these years...)
> >> thinking in terms of "a flowable, understandable, linear user
> >> experience" through "our website". This is NOT (repeat...) how the web
> >> works any more.
> >
> > At the risk of sounding like the 'television? That'll never catch on...'
> > guy - I'm really not sure I agree with you.
> >
> > Up there at the bleeding edge of where the Web goes next there is an
> > almost axiomatic mantra (non-linear, fragmented, participative). For
> real,
> > non-technologist users who are seeking information or entertainment, all
> > this non-linearity is frankly a bit annoying - for every tech guru I've
> > met who says that UGC is the future of media, I meet someone over the
> age
> > of 35 who finds it a bit irksome that all these websites are suddenly
> > asking them to write stuff for them.
> >
> > People *do* want websites - because we have a consumer population that
> are
> > used to information being packaged and presented, and they are used to
> > making qualitative decisions about the value of that information based
> on
> > brand and credibility.
> >
> > I am a bit concerned that these developments are really being pushed by
> > technology - it's almost as if we said 'ok, we've separated content from
> > presentation, we've got stuff in repositories, we've done some
> > interoperability stuff. So...er..now what? I know! We can mash it all
> > together to create new things, which aren't websites, but which are a
> bit
> > like them, only different.'
> >
> > Of course, there is a younger demographic who are Bebo-ing themselves
> > silly, but they'll grow up and there is always the possibility that
> > they'll grow out of it. I *really* don't want to sit on enthusiasm and
> > innovation, and I completely accept the 'speculative can lead to
> > longer-term' argument which Tehmina puts forward but how do we
> distinguish
> > real, permanent seismic shifts in the nature of the Web and online
> > consumers from the short-term whorls and eddies of fashion?
> >
> > I am sick of my Facebook, I haven't been back to my MySpace in weeks, my
> > Bebo account is almost dead, I've got at least 4 moribund blogs and
> every
> > time I post a comment on a Wiki I get flamed by an American teenager. Is
> > this really the brave new world we want to build?
> >
> > Nick
> >
> >
> >
> > Nick Poole
> > Chief Executive
> > MDA
> >
> > www.mda.org.uk
> > www.collectionslink.org.uk
> >
> >
> >
> > Tel: 01223 316028
> > Fax: 01223 364658
> >
> > MDA (Europe) Ltd: Company Registration No: 1300565 Reg. Office: 22 Hills
> > Road, Cambridge, CB2 1JP.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Museums Computer Group [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> > electronic museum
> > Sent: 27 March 2008 12:31
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: The speculative aspect of using Web 2 [was: British Postal
> > Museum & Archive Wiki]
> >
> > Oof. So much to respond to and so little time.
> >
> > In brief..I think we're in danger of making some fairly classic museum
> > type generalisations, about "what people want" "what they need" "what
> they
> > might want if we showed it to them"..
> >
> > More importantly we're also *still* (after all these years...) thinking
> in
> > terms of "a flowable, understandable, linear user experience" through
> "our
> > website". This is NOT (repeat...) how the web works any more. I'm not
> sure
> > it ever was, tbh, and that's why we (as a sector) have often found
> > ourselves building things which ought to be popular, but aren't. It's
> also
> > why some of the things we didn't expect to be popular actually turned
> out
> > to be huge!
> >
> > Let's take Twitter as one example in a field of hundreds. Mode of use is
> > probably NOT "hey, a museum on Twitter, I'll follow it". Mode of use
> > probably IS "I've seen something interesting which HAPPENS to be on a
> > museum website and I'll post it to Twitter...". Result - clicks,
> > visibility - a good thing at least as far as funders are concerned.
> > <insert argument here />
> >
> > People are fickle; the web is loosely coupled; users get whatever it is
> > they're looking for (and some things they didn't know they were looking
> > for) wherever they can. A lot of your traffic IS NOT YOUR AUDIENCE but
> > PEOPLE WHO HAPPENED UPON YOUR STUFF.
> >
> > So what does this mean to development of services? Predictably, it's
> > complicated. There *has* to be an element of *push* (or we'd still be
> > rolling out endless damn catalogues of boring stuff) but at the same
> time
> > there also *has* to be an element of user testing, too.
> >
> > Here's where I am on this stuff - Groundhog day-like I notice I posted
> it
> > following a similar MCG thread... http://tinyurl.com/yvpgmx :-) ta!
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 12:02 PM, Tehmina Goskar <[log in to unmask]>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks, Nick. You are right in many senses. No one wants to waste
> >> money.
> >> However I very much see many of these things in the same way as other
> >> short to medium-term ventures: temporary exhibitions, conferences,
> >> workshops and other 'events'. For any longer term online
> >> sustainability and visibility I can't think of any better way to
> >> achieve this than to invest properly in well-described
> >> collections-based and subject-based information that is well designed
> >> and detectable.
> >>
> >> Perhaps therefore we also need to add longevity aims to this equation?
> >> A
> >> sandbox sounds interesting though I wonder if some may prefer just to
> >> go for it? I have no opinion on this either way but I feel very
> >> strongly that the more people exchange their experiences, the better
> >> informed others will be.
> >> No project is directly transferrable but lessons learnt certainly are.
> >>
> >> As for twitter specifically, I don't use it as I don't want to tell
> >> people what I am doing every few moments (though it is all extremely
> >> interesting of
> >> course) nor do I wish to know what others are doing. However would
> >> some event at a museum be well-served with a twitter-esque application?
> >> Perhaps
> >> it would. Therefore such things can also help aid creative problem
> >> solving at a relatively negligible cost.
> >>
> >> And I wonder where the prejudice against the Siliconites comes from?
> >> If we look within our own broad community, we all do and think of
> >> things in different ways, we wouldn't all want to be thought of in the
> >> same way, surely? Can we ever say we've reached the 'wrong' audience
> >> when doing stuff on the web?
> >>
> >> Tehmina
> >>
> >> On 27/03/2008, Nick Poole <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Tehmina,
> >> >
> >> > Thanks for a very interesting and balanced post. I think you are
> >> > correct
> >> -
> >> > there is an element of exploration involved here, which is obviously
> >> > an important part of innovation. My concern with these things has
> >> > always
> >> been
> >> > the risk of a large number of museums investing in basically
> >> unsustainable
> >> > services which do little to support their core mission.
> >> >
> >> > On the subject of Twitter, you ask which museum wouldn't want the
> >> > brief attention of a million people. Firstly, it is highly unlikely
> >> > that of
> >> this
> >> > million claimed users, more than a couple of tens of thousands are
> >> *really*
> >> > active users (it's the same issue with Second Life's claimed
> >> population).
> >> > This really is a niche market, and my answer would be that even a
> >> million
> >> > brief viewers is of little use at all if it's the *wrong* million,
> >> > or if
> >> our
> >> > information is lost in a torrent of in-jokes and Silicon Valley
> >> > startup party invites.
> >> >
> >> > We need to think hard about which problems we are going to try and
> >> solve,
> >> > and then identify the best technologies to do so. Imagine a world in
> >> which
> >> > Twitter did not exist (give it a couple of years...) would you
> >> > really
> >> invent
> >> > a constantly-updated trivia machine as the best way of communicating
> >> with
> >> > museum audiences?
> >> >
> >> > I'm willing to bet that you wouldn't.
> >> >
> >> > Which takes us back to your original proposition - how do museums
> >> > find
> >> the
> >> > time and money to play with innovative/speculative services, even
> >> > where these don't necessarily resolve to long-term changes in the
> >> > way we do things? I know that Eduserv were looking at investing in a
> >> sandbox/incubator
> >> > in which museums could muck about with stuff. I think there is real
> >> > potential in having a safe 'playground' in which to test these
> >> propositions
> >> > before they become live services. Is this something which people
> >> > would
> >> find
> >> > appealing?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Nick
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Nick Poole
> >> > Chief Executive
> >> > MDA
> >> >
> >> > www.mda.org.uk
> >> > www.collectionslink.org.uk
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Tel: 01223 316028
> >> > Fax: 01223 364658
> >> >
> >> > MDA (Europe) Ltd: Company Registration No: 1300565 Reg. Office: 22
> >> > Hills Road, Cambridge, CB2 1JP.
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> >
> >> > From: Museums Computer Group [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
> >> > Of Tehmina Goskar
> >> > Sent: 27 March 2008 10:23
> >> > To: [log in to unmask]
> >> >
> >> > Subject: Re: The speculative aspect of using Web 2 [was: British
> >> > Postal Museum & Archive Wiki]
> >> >
> >> > There is also, of course, the speculative aspect of using web 2
> >> > methods
> >> to
> >> > either solicit user response or get them to create information for
> >> > you
> >> or
> >> > spread your information elsewhere. As both Mike and Nick note,
> >> > every organisation and project has specific needs and aims and these
> >> > are the things that should come first. However I wonder if many
> >> > organisations
> >> big
> >> > and small are using social networking tools and related applications
> >> > in
> >> a
> >> > speculative way - to see what happens. This may result in
> >> 'interactions'
> >> > far beyond expectations or more modest ones but certainly quite
> >> > often unexpected ones.
> >> >
> >> > Many of us who have used flickr, for example, have done so with a
> >> > desire simply to share information with no specific view on _who_ we
> >> > should
> >> share
> >> > these things with. As an individual, I have done the same and have
> >> > been quite surprised at some of the interest in my photographs, e.g.
> >> > for a southern American recipe book, for a citizenship website, for
> >> > an alternative health documentary, for a popular archaeological
> >> > textbook... some have also been shared on enthusiasts websites
> >> > including one on manhole covers. I did not seek any of these
> >> > outcomes - and certainly did not expect them. Museums and heritage
> >> > organisations who do the same will likewise not always know how such
> >> > things will turn out.
> >> >
> >> > A propos the previous post on the critique of apps such as twitter,
> >> > a million people may not be a big number for Oracle or Cisco but
> >> > which museum online or otherwise would not want a million people's
> >> > attention, however brief, on their collections and information? The
> >> > technology is also reciprocal. It's not all about what our
> >> > audiences will get out of it
> >> but
> >> > what _we_ can get out of it too.
> >> >
> >> > There is, for sure, a horses for courses basic rule to using web
> >> > applications to increase awareness of your organisation and its
> >> > information but there is also a speculative aspect which, it seems
> >> > to me, is
> >> important
> >> > -
> >> > there is also an element of this to putting on temporary exhibitions
> >> > -
> >> it
> >> > is
> >> > not always clear who will be interested in them and results can
> >> sometimes
> >> > be
> >> > surprising. How you weigh up this speculation against time and
> >> > resource costs is a more difficult matter to resolve. The choice
> >> > just needs to
> >> be
> >> > well-informed.
> >> >
> >> > Tehmina
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On 27/03/2008, Nick Poole <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > Dear Rhiannon,
> >> > >
> >> > > Many thanks for your email about the BPMA Wiki. I would be really
> >> > > interested to know more about why the BPMA took the decision to
> >> > implement a
> >> > > Wiki. Is it something your online audience have been requesting?
> >> > > Is
> >> > there a
> >> > > specific target demographic for whom a Wiki is their preferred
> >> > > form of interaction?
> >> > >
> >> > > The reason I ask is because of your comment about taking time to
> >> > > get people on there. Of course, this may simply be the inertia
> >> > > faced by
> >> any
> >> > > fledgling service, but at the same time I am not sure whether this
> >> > > is central to your mission or an incidental add-on.
> >> > >
> >> > > Not to be too negative about things, but (bearing in mind the
> >> > > recent exchange between Frankie and Mike) I remain sceptical about
> >> > > the appropriateness of models like social networking and
> >> > > participative
> >> media
> >> > to
> >> > > the delivery of museums online. As Mike notes, there's no hard and
> >> fast
> >> > rule
> >> > > - it's appropriate when it's appropriate - but I'd be really
> >> interested
> >> > to
> >> > > know whether this is a case of 'because we can' or whether there
> >> > > is a genuine audience/marketing driver behind this thing.
> >> > >
> >> > > Similarly, I'd be very interested to know more about the outcomes
> >> > > of
> >> > your
> >> > > dissertation - not just from a quantitative point of view (how
> >> > > many
> >> > museums
> >> > > are doing this), but also from a qualitative one (of those
> >> > > museums,
> >> how
> >> > may
> >> > > are doing it well, and how many will still be an actively
> >> > > supported
> >> > resource
> >> > > in 2 years time).
> >> > >
> >> > > Of course, I see the potential of crowdsourcing interpretation and
> >> > > selection, and the Wiki model certainly offers a potential channel
> >> > > for people to get at the museums back-end systems, but I think we
> >> > > run the
> >> > risk
> >> > > of overlooking the very specific psychology and demographics of
> >> > > User Generated Content, and regarding it as something appropriate
> >> > > for a generalist audience.
> >> > >
> >> > > Any further info gratefully received!
> >> > >
> >> > > Best regards,
> >> > >
> >> > > Nick
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Nick Poole
> >> > > Chief Executive
> >> > > MDA
> >> > >
> >> > > www.mda.org.uk
> >> > > www.collectionslink.org.uk
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Tel: 01223 316028
> >> > > Fax: 01223 364658
> >> > >
> >> > > MDA (Europe) Ltd: Company Registration No: 1300565 Reg. Office: 22
> >> > > Hills Road, Cambridge, CB2 1JP.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > -----Original Message-----
> >> > > From: Museums Computer Group [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
> >> > > Of Rhiannon Looseley
> >> > > Sent: 26 March 2008 17:43
> >> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> >> > > Subject: British Postal Museum & Archive Wiki
> >> > >
> >> > > Dear all
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > I thought some of you might be interested in hearing about the new
> >> > > British Postal Museum & Archive (BPMA) Wiki:
> >> > > www.postalheritage.org.uk/wiki. It's based on Zwiki technology
> >> > > which
> >> is
> >> > > Zope/Plone developers' answer to Wiki technology.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > It's a bit of an experiment and at the moment, unsurprisingly,
> >> > > it's taking a bit of time to get people on there. I've started a
> >> > > few
> >> 'seeds'
> >> > > to get people started. At the bottom of this email is an example
> >> > > of
> >> the
> >> > > email we sent out to our E-Newsletter mailing list to try and
> >> encourage
> >> > > people to contribute. It gives you an example of some of the
> >> > > seeds we're using at the moment. We've created similar flyers and
> >> newsletter
> >> > > articles as well.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > I would be interested in hearing any suggestions others might have
> >> > > on topics we could use to get people started and also experiences
> >> > > of building up a community like this. I'm particularly keen to
> >> > > find ways of making the most of Wikis' potential for collaborative
> >> work.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Also if you're interested, I'm currently writing my MA in Museum
> >> Studies
> >> > > Dissertation on Museum Wikis, with ours as a case study. I'm
> >> > > blogging about my progress at:
> >> > > http://rhiannonlooseley.blogspot.com if anyone
> >> is
> >> > > interested in following my progress. I'd welcome any comments
> >> > > along
> >> the
> >> > > way (please let me know if you specifically don't want me to quote
> >> your
> >> > > comments, either on my blog, or by email, in my dissertation).
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Best wishes,
> >> > >
> >> > > Rhiannon Looseley
> >> > >
> >> > > --------------------------------------
> >> > >
> >> > > Rhiannon Looseley
> >> > >
> >> > > Web Officer
> >> > >
> >> > > Tel: 020 7239 2588
> >> > >
> >> > > Fax: 020 7239 2576
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > [log in to unmask]
> >> > > <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
> >> > >
> >> > > The British Postal Museum & Archive (BPMA)
> >> > >
> >> > > Freeling House, Phoenix Place, London WC1X 0DL
> >> > >
> >> > > www.postalheritage.org.uk <http://www.postalheritage.org.uk/>
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > British postal communications helped to shape the modern world.
> >> > > The British Postal Museum & Archive illuminates the lives of
> >> > > people in the Post Office, the messages carried by Royal Mail, the
> >> > > history we all share. Our history through the post.
> >> > >
> >> > > The BPMA is the public identity of the Postal Heritage Trust.
> >> > >
> >> > > Registered as a charity in England and Wales.
> >> > > Registered Charity Number 1102360
> >> > > Company Number 4896056
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Family History Research
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Researching your postal ancestors? Want to share what you've
> >> discovered
> >> > > with a wider audience? Why not use the Wiki to tell others about
> >> > > your research?
> >> > >
> >> > > Use the Wiki Family history research
> >> > > <http://www.massmailer.co.uk/go.php?RKKH2J8JU8N459OE7Q6963B7UOK4YS
> >> > > TV>
> >> > > page to get started.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Postal History
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Do you know a lot about a certain aspect of postal history? Have
> >> > > you uncovered a particularly interesting story in our archive? Why
> >> > > not
> >> tell
> >> > > us more about them on the Wiki?
> >> > >
> >> > > Use the Wiki Postal history
> >> > > <http://www.massmailer.co.uk/go.php?RKKH2J8JU8N459OEYMPO78SIJ7MY0J
> >> > > O3>
> >> > > page to get started.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Working with our collections
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Did you/do you work for the Post Office? Do you recognise some of
> >> > > the objects and documents in our Collections section
> >> > > <http://www.massmailer.co.uk/go.php?RKKH2J8JU8N459OE0QP7O71MVGI0PI
> >> > > QW>
> >> ?
> >> > > Why not tell us about what it was/is like to work with them?
> >> > >
> >> > > Use the Wiki Working with our collections
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> >> > > Working for the Post Office
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