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Re: Permission for using images

From:

Bebbington Laurence <[log in to unmask]>

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Bebbington Laurence <[log in to unmask]>

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Wed, 16 Jan 2008 23:03:30 -0000

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Grant

I'm not aware of any more recent cases that change the position (i.e.
the narrow interpretation adopted by the Court of Appeal in Durant - but
which did not involve anything other than *textual* data on Durant held
on file, in predominantly manual filing systems, and in a context in
which the FSA was quite clearly a data controller under the Act and
processing Mr Durant's personal data). Even Michalos acknowledges that
this judgement (which is not well favoured by various commentators but
nevertheless remains a binding interpretation of the law in terms of its
narrow definition of "personal data" and "relevant filing system") "did
not concern the issue of what is meant by 'can be identified' in
relation to photographic images." (footnote 76 p. 522). I merely submit
that Durant is potentially distinguishable on a number of grounds. My
own view (acknowledging for what that is worth!) is that the issue of
photographic images is (a) very complex and (b) until a suitable case
clarifies the issues relating to images, then it is simply better to be
safe than sorry. One might, therefore, adopt the approach of
transparency, fairness etc. characteristic of the Act. As Michalos
suggests, issues of privacy law are potentially relevant in terms of
taking photographs of people in "public places" but UK law on this
(privacy) is better discussed by an expert in the area!

I also note, Grant, that although you indicate that you spoke to the ICO
that you acknowledge that it did not "endorse" your guidance. Hardly
surprising - after all the Court of Appeal rejected the "guidance"
issued by the ICO before 2003 in terms of what was "personal data" and a
"relevant filing system" in Durant, causing the ICO to hurriedly revise
its guidance on these issues. The ICO statements are guidance, and only
that. They do not have the force of law. But, again, having said that
the European Commission has been seriously concerned about the narrow
interpretation given to "personal data" in this case. It was indeed a
pity that Mr Durant was unable to appeal his case to he House of Lords.

Having said all of that, I merely re-iterate that it's probably better
to be safe than sorry and take some simple steps to get consent of those
genuinely being photographed for "official" purposes by a school,
college or university.

Regards

Laurence 

-----Original Message-----
From: A general Library and Information Science list for news and
discussion. [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Grant Young
Sent: 16 January 2008 18:15
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Permission for using images

Thanks Laurence

very interesting - your comment about the ICO's seeming change of
opinion. I didn't re-read their paper before providing the link.

We followed Christina Michalos (London, 2004) in our citing of Durant
and I believe that the ICO also referred us to this case when we spoke
to them about whether images of unidentified people could be classed as
personal data. But I should stress again that our document was prepared
three years ago. Are you aware of more recent case law in this area?

I agree that in the case of images of children it would be sensible to
proceed with care and seek parental permission if there is any question
about the children's understanding and ability to consent.

The approach of explaining why images are being taken and given people
an opportunity to step outside the frame is also sensible and one we
recommend in section 4 of our document.

With best wishes,
Grant


--On 16 January 2008 17:26 +0000 Bebbington Laurence
<[log in to unmask]> wrote:

>
> The Information Commissioner's guidance on this is not necessarily 
> quite clear on this type of area. The current guidance note issued to 
> local authorities on photographs in schools (but recommended to 
> schools, colleges and universities) states:
>
> "A small group of pupils are photographed during a science lesson and 
> the photo is to be used in the school prospectus. This will be 
> personal data but will not breach the Act as long as the children 
> and/or their guardians are aware this is happening and the context in 
> which the photo will be used."
>
> This seems odd to me on at least one level - it seems to imply that 
> school children themselves can give consent in a relatively relaxed 
> and potentially quite uninformed way. I do not dispute that university

> students are in a much better position to object to a photograph of 
> them being taken whether they know the intended context or not - but 
> can *all* school children be presumed to consent because they "are 
> aware of what is happening" (i.e. someone
> - possibly in authority in the school - is taking their photograph)
> *and* because they have knowledge of the context in which the 
> photograph will be used? What does having knowledge of the context 
> really mean - from the point of view of a child?
>
> And it seems to me that at the very least the guidance should be 
> re-prioritised - i.e. it should be made clear that *first of all* the 
> pupils be told the context of the intended use and secondly they are 
> made aware that a photograph will be taken. Nevertheless, it still 
> places a high burden on children to agree to both (and the guidance 
> seems to imply that all pupils can consent). Presumably it fits the 
> type of scenario raised by Gillian. But as I have said, college or 
> university students are more likely to be able to object to this in a 
> way that pupils are not.
>
> I have a file copy (undated) of the guidance note from which I took 
> the above quotation and on the exact same point the previous guidance 
> note appears to be rather more unambiguous (the other
> way!):
>
> "A small group of pupils are photographed during a science lesson and 
> the photo is to be used in the school prospectus. This is unlikely to 
> be personal data and the Act wouldn't apply."
>
> This scenario has gone from data which is not personal data to being 
> personal data.
>
> So at some point the IC's advice has changed and the issue has 
> obviously been narrowed. I'm not sure if that is as a result of the 
> Durant case and that would surprise me (and in passing I'm not sure I 
> would use it as an authority in the way the TASI site does anyway 
> because the Durant case is obviously quite different on the facts).
>
> The safest route, it seems to me anyway, is to adopt the more recent 
> guidance but reverse the order (a simple point but, I think, an 
> important one) i.e. make it clear to people that photos will be taken 
> and what the purposes are, and if they object give them a chance to 
> get out of the line of sight before anything is taken.
>
> Recently, I was at the Online Conference in December. A chap came in 
> to a session with a camera and took loads of photos of the panel
> *and* the audience. The panel might have known that this would be part

> and parcel of their roles. I'm not entirely clear that he had any 
> right to do so in terms of the audience. Nobody objected - have we 
> given consent? Do you interrupt a whole session and telling him to 
> stop snapping you? Do you leave? Do you hide under the chair?
> Was there a warning in the conference documentation stating that such 
> photography would take place (and if there was I didn't see it)? If 
> there was, is it valid consent? By being at the conference can you 
> remotely be presumed to be giving informed consent just because anyone

> who can pay the fee is there?  ...
>
> Laurence
>
> Laurence W. Bebbington
> Faculty Team Leader (Social Sciences, Law and Education) Information 
> Services Hallward Library University Park Campus The University of 
> Nottingham Nottingham
> NG7 2RD
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: A general Library and Information Science list for news and 
> discussion. [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of 
> [log in to unmask]
> Sent: 16 January 2008 15:47
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Permission for using images
>
> TASI's advice is very sensible and should be followed
>
> Charles
>
>
> Professor Charles Oppenheim
> Head
> Department of Information Science
> Loughborough University
> Loughborough
> Leics LE11 3TU
>
> Tel 01509-223065
> Fax 01509 223053
> e mail [log in to unmask]
> -----Original Message-----
> From: A general Library and Information Science list for news and 
> discussion. [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Grant Young 
> Sent: 16 January 2008 15:40
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Permission for using images
>
> Dear Gillian and others
>
> TASI has put up some information on how data protection might relate 
> to images, see:
> <http://www.tasi.ac.uk/advice/managing/data_protection.html>
>
> Please note that this document was last updated in January 2005, so 
> there may be some more recent case law that has further clarified the 
> issues it raises. We ran this document past the Information 
> Commissioner's Office (ICO) for comment before we published it.
> While they had no objections to the content, they made it clear that 
> they do not provide any endorsement for presentations by other 
> parties, so it should be read with this in mind. You should also be 
> aware that TASI cannot provide any legal advice.
>
> If you have or others have specific queries relating to data 
> protection, I've always found the ICO's enquiry service extremely 
> helpful. In my experience they seem to take a fairly pragmatic 
> approach. Contact details here:
> <http://www.ico.gov.uk/Global/online_enquiries.aspx>
>
> They also have a lot of useful resources on their website - nothing 
> I've found that comprehensively deals with images, but some useful 
> information about CCTV footage and the following document about taking

> photographs in school settings:
>
> <http://www.ico.gov.uk/upload/documents/library/data_protection/pra
> ctica l_application/taking_photos_v3.0_final.pdf>
>
> Another useful source of information is JISC Legal, who provide a good

> general overview of data protection:
> <http://www.jisclegal.ac.uk/dataprotection/dataprotection.htm>
>
> They also have an enquiry
> service:<http://www.jisclegal.ac.uk/aboutUs.htm#contact>
>
> Finally, I should note that we also have a short FAQ about model 
> release forms on our website - these are one means of obtaining
> consent:
> <http://www.tasi.ac.uk/advice/managing/faq_model_release.html>
>
>
> With best wishes,
> Grant
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> Grant Young
> TASI Technical Research Officer (half time)* Digitisation Project 
> Manager (half time)**
>
> *TASI - Technical Advisory Service for Images Free Helpdesk for UK 
> Further and Higher Education: <[log in to unmask]> Online advice
> documents: <http://www.tasi.ac.uk/> Hands-on training:
> <http://www.tasi.ac.uk/training/> A JISC Advisory Service
>
> **19th Century Pamphlets Online Digitisation Project 
> <http://www.curl.ac.uk/projects/NineteenOnline.htm>
> <http://www.ilrt.bris.ac.uk/aboutus/staff?search=cmgay>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> --On 16 January 2008 12:54 +0000 "[log in to unmask]"
> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> If the person is an identifiable individual (e.g., their name or 
>> other
>
>> details are provided, or the person can be identified in other ways  
>> from the image), then the Data Protection Act requires that the  
>> individual be informed that a photo of them will be taken and placed

>> on the web, and consent (ideally written) should be obtained from  
>> them. If a minor is involved, in general their parent/guardian's  
>> permission should be sought.
>>
>> Bear in mind the situation that an individual is on the run from an  
>> abusive parent/partner and does not want the abuser to know where  
>> he/she is, and you can see the reasons for this requirement.
>>
>> Charles
>>
>>
>> Professor Charles Oppenheim
>> Head
>> Department of Information Science
>> Loughborough University
>> Loughborough
>> Leics LE11 3TU
>>
>> Tel 01509-223065
>> Fax 01509 223053
>> e mail [log in to unmask]
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: A general Library and Information Science list for news and 
>> discussion. [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Rutherford,

>> Gillian Sent: 16 January 2008 12:43
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Permission for using images
>>
>> Colleagues,
>> Does anyone know the legal position of using photos of people on
>> websites and in institutional publications?   *	Is written
> consent
>> needed?
>> *	Are there age restrictions to such permissions needed?
>> *	Etc.
>> Any information about this would be very welcome.
>> Many thanks in advance
>> Regards
>> Gillian
>> 							
>> Gillian Rutherford
>> Head of Library Services
>> Tyne Metropolitan College
>> Embleton Avenue
>> Wallsend
>> Tyne and Wear
>> NE28 9NJ
>>
>> 0191 229 5293
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