Hi there, well I'd only know about up to 3rd in the OTO, I haven't looked up
any publicly available sources of the scripts of the degrees above third
since I revived my OTO membership a few years ago after a long time as a
'dues inactive' member, and I've only ever seen them in Francis King's
'Secret Rituals of the OTO', but that was years ago. I've heard that Peter
Koenig has them on his website, but I haven't actually looked them up. If
I'm going to do the degrees, I don't want to spoil the impact by looking at
the initiation texts beforehand. So indeed, you may be right about the
Gardnerian initiations being like the Man of Earth degrees.
~Caroline Tully.
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Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 2:44 PM
Subject: Re: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC] Witchcraft/Nature worship talk.
Midlands, England.
> Hi Caroline,
>
> Given that the OTO's MoE initiations are 6 in number (or 5.5 if one takes
> the Prince of Jerusalem at the same time as IV*) v. Gardnerian's 3
> initiations, there isn't a one-to-one correspondence between them. I'd
> be very interested in hearing Melissa Harrington's views on the subject.
>
> Thank you,
> Felicia Swayne-Heidrick
>
> On Feb 1, 2008, at 9:17 AM, Caroline Tully wrote:
>
>> Hi Felicia, I don't think the Gardnerian initiations are anything at all
>> like "straight out of the OTO's Man of Earth initiations" as you suggest.
>> The OTO's 1st and 2nd are very different to Wicca's 1st and 2nd, and the
>> Gard 3rd degree is , if anything, like Crowley's Gnostic Mass, certainly
>> nothing like the OTO 3rd degree.
>>
>> ~Caroline Tully.
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