thanks John, Nicole and Simon. That makes sense. Things are getting
clearer by the day! Look forward to that solution to gateway access for
non fed/shibb resources.

Alistair

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> Sally,
>
> ScienceDirect were amongst the very early adopters of Shibboleth, and
> have been trying out various ways of relating to multiple national
> federations (which looks like what are developing)  - such as their own
> 2-layer WAYF.  Eventually (I believe) a preferred model that gets
> adopted by other large, multinational publishers will emerge.
>
> Meanwhile they may be among a *small* number of publishers where UK
> Federation metadata is not updated automatically.  The important thing
> is that (once they know you want Federated Access from them) everything
> should just work.
>
> I echo Nicole's point  - that it's worth you telling each UK Federation
> publisher you deal with that you want to switch to Federated Access (and
> don't need Athens access any more).  This will help them assess customer
> demand better, and determine when it's no longer worth them paying
> (possibly substantial) license fees to use Athens.
>
> John
>
> 	-----Original Message-----
> 	From: Discussion list for Shibboleth developments
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Bennett S.
> 	Sent: 24 January 2008 15:04
> 	To: [log in to unmask]
> 	Subject: Re: [JISC-SHIBBOLETH] science direct login failure
>
>
> 	Hi Nicole,
>
> 	I thought that all IdPs and SPs in the UKAMF were expected to
> keep their copies of the metadata up to date. That way, organisations
> running IdPs are not required to contact every SP they wish to access
> via the Federation. If the metadata is up to date, and the SP receives
> the attributes it requires, shouldn't this just work?
>
> 	Regards,
>
> 	Sally
>
> 	Sally Bennett BSc MSc
> 	Enterprise Systems Team
> 	Information Systems Services
> 	University of Southampton
> 	Highfield
> 	Southampton
> 	SO17 1BJ
>
> 	+44 (0)2380 597917
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> 	From: Discussion list for Shibboleth developments
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Nicole Harris
> 	Sent: 24 January 2008 14:52
> 	To: [log in to unmask]
> 	Subject: Re: science direct login failure
>
>
> 	Hi Alistair
>
> 	It's not about metadata changes, it merely about which WAYF you
> are using.  RefWorks as far as I know is not a member of the UK
> federation so would not have any interaction with the UK federation.
> ScienceDirect should be working and I am sure we will get to the bottom
> of Swansea's problems.
>
> 	I think it is important that each institution takes
> responsibility for informing the Service Provider that they hold a
> license with that they wish to switch on UK federation access (or indeed
> switch off Athens access) and I am sure that most librarians would like
> to handle this in such a managed way.  However, if institutions would
> like us to take responsibility for automatically switching on access for
> Service Providers who use their own WAYF, I am sure we could offer such
> a service.
>
> 	Discuss??
>
> 	N.
>
> 	Alistair Young wrote:
>
> 		so it's not enough to join the uk fed, we have to also
> contact all our suppliers and get ourselves added to their particular
> shibb interface? or will the suppliers listed as being members of the uk
> federation be able to be accessed via the federation and its metadata?
> Then again, that's a fair amount of overhead for a supplier to deal
> with, multiple federation metadata. And if our metadata changes, we have
> to notify the fed and all our shibb enabled suppliers? We have two so
> far (RefWorks and ScienceDirect) and neither seem to "support" the uk
> fed.
>
> 		Alistair
>
> 		On 24 Jan 2008, at 14:27, Nicole Harris wrote:
>
>
>
> 			Hi Alistair
>
> 			It's a process mainly used by SPs who use their
> own WAYF.  You need to inform the SP to get yourself added to the their
> WAYF if they are doing so.  In terms of whether that has a national
> layer to depends on how the SP has set their WAYF up!
>
> 			N.
>
> 			Alistair Young wrote:
>
>
>
> 				out of interest, what determines that
> list? We subscribe to ScienceDirect and we're in the uk federation. I
> noted that RefWorks has a shibb login option, with Washington as the
> sole entry. Is this heralding another layer to navigate? Login via
> shibboleth but first choose which federation you're in?
>
> 				Alistair
>
> 				On 24 Jan 2008, at 14:11, Roberts A.L.
> wrote:
>
>
>
> 				Dear List,
>
> 				We are in the process of testing access
> to various SPs at the mo, one of which is Science Direct. We've been
> added as an institution that can login via shib. Problem is that when I
> try and log into the service the SP SHIRE is failing with the following
> message:
> 				Inter-institutional Access System
> Failure
> 				The inter-institutional access system
> experienced a technical failure at Thu Jan 24 08:12:28 2008
> 				"><!-- Unknown SHIBMLP key:
> originErrorURL/>.
> 				Please include the following error
> message when reporting the problem:
> 				SHIRE failure at
> (https://sdauth.sciencedirect.com/SHIRE)
> 				Session Creation Error: unable to verify
> signed profile response
> 				---------------------
>
> 				According to the Science Direct login
> page the following institutions are all valid to login via their IdPs.
> Has anyone from these sites had a similar problem?
>
> 				Aberystwyth University
> 				Cardiff University
> 				JISC project: Angel
> 				London School of Economics and Political
> Science
> 				Thames Valley University
> 				University College London
> 				University of Abertay Dundee
> 				University of Bath
> 				University of Bristol
> 				University of Cambridge
> 				University of Leeds
> 				University of Oxford
>
> 				Just for info I've already contacted the
> UK Fed people and they have checked that the IdP setup is right at our
> end and I have sent a request to SD asking for the log entries that
> correspond to our failed login attempt.
>
> 				AL
>
> 				Mr. Alexander Roberts
> 				Web Development Officer
> 				Library and Information Services
> 				Swansea University/Prifysgol Abertawe
> 				+44 (0)1792 513239
>
>
>
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