The same thing happened to me: I gave CILIP my change of address in June
and have received all post from them as usual except my ballot papers,
which they sent to my old address. I would have voted but only got hold of
the papers the day after the deadline!

Charlotte


> I thought I was the only person that happened to! But no, I have someone
> to share my pain. Funny, I also moved 5 months ago and have been
> receiving Gazettes and Updates and requests for cash with no problem...
> curiouser and curiouser.
>
> I haven't misssed voting for anything in 10 years of membership, but I
> have now. So I can be counted in that number of people that "didn't
> bother" to vote that has so saddened and worried people. The voting
> papers may have been in easy packs full of excellent details but if
> they're not posted to the voter's address it's a tad difficult for said
> voter to well, y'know, vote.
>
> Sue
>
> Ellie Clement wrote:
>> I would have voted if CILIP hadn't disenfranchised me by despite
>> changing my
>> address with them and receiving gazettes and updates for the last 5
>> months they
>> couldn't manage to send the ballot papers to the right address (they
>> were
>> forwarded on by the new residents and arrived on Monday missing the
>> deadline)... unsurprisingly in todays post I got the membership renewal
>> form...
>> so when they want my money they know where I am!
>>
>> Ellie
>>
>> Quoting Frances Hendrix <[log in to unmask]>:
>>
>>
>>>  Dear All list readers and Dear New Trustees
>>>
>>> The following message was posted by me on Lis pub Libs when I read of
>>> the new trustees, but more importantly the very low turn out of voters.
>>>
>>> I repeat
>>>
>>> 'I have just looked at the Scrutineers' report for the election of
>>> Councillors to the new Cilip Council.
>>>
>>> How very sad and worrying that only 21.8% of the electorate bothered to
>>> vote. members were sent easy packs of voting papers with excellent
>>> details on the candidates. Cilip has looked at its navel and changed
>>> many things in order to become a more 'fit for purpose' organisation in
>>> the last year (something that desperately needed doing), but still only
>>> 4000 of a possible 18,334 members bothered to send back voting papers.
>>>
>>> There is obviously a lot still to do to get members to participate in
>>> and be committed to the organisation. More changes, better leadership,
>>> better and genuine involvement of the members. It is not a healthy sign
>>> to see this lack of commitment and I call upon all those elected to
>>> council, to the President of the association and to the Chief Executive
>>> to  actively work to turn this worrying state of affairs around, and
>>> make the association 'fit for purpose' for the profession in the 21st
>>> Century, and bring the people, members and non members, on board!
>>>
>>> Congratulations to all those elected, but start work on those who did
>>> not vote at all!'
>>>
>>> I was suggested to me that I should post to Lis professional, and I
>>> have
>>> now done so. However I have received a number of off list responses to
>>> the posting which I would like to bring to Cilip and its new trustees
>>> attention.
>>>
>>> First of all of course the low voting numbers were of those who are
>>> members, and a lot of people appear not to be.
>>>
>>> There is obvious disaffection and the emails I have received have
>>> outlined a number of issues you need, as trustees, to consider.
>>>
>>> I will honour the fact that the respondents did not wish to go public
>>> on
>>> the list, this in itself worries me as people are concerned, and some
>>> have expressed this, at the reaction they get from lists if they dare
>>> to
>>> mention anything unflattering to the organisation (and we can all
>>> recall
>>> reactions like this from the top down at Cilip)
>>>
>>> Examples of comments are:-
>>>
>>> 1.Possible [other models or organising Cilip] models include the way
>>> unions have largely become learning and financial services providers
>>> for
>>> members, while some charities have rebranded to be clearer about what
>>> they do eg NCDL became Dogs Trust (I'm not choosing that as a facetious
>>> example) - on the other hand others have become more euphemistic eg
>>> Scope. Cilip needs to avoid the Post Office model - a failing business
>>> flailing around for ways to save itself which will do or sell literally
>>> anything on a short term basis if it sniffs a quick win. Does nothing
>>> for the self respect really.
>>>
>>>
>>> 2.Disaffection? I doubt it, for the really disaffected have left CILIP.
>>> More likely a combination of low key satisfaction, boredom, can't be
>>> bothered and the usual human confusion which have led to a decline in
>>> voting, eg, House of Commons, Local government. 21,8%?  'Twas ever
>>> thus,
>>> par for the course.  If you want to get members to express an opinion,
>>> wait for or provoke a Real Crisis such as that which led to some
>>> Determined Ladies to call successfully in 1982 for an LA Emergency
>>> General Meeting with 600+attending; it demanded a management audit of
>>> the LA.
>>>
>>> And rather than ask our new Trustees/Councillors to use their
>>> Senatorial
>>> powers and impacted wisdom to get members genuinely involved, they
>>> might
>>> start to consider how to get members of all our professional committees
>>> -Branches, Groups, etc who probably number some 3000 - to do more work
>>> on the ground to 'make a change' as current jargon has it. Their
>>> Committees, however, usually don't actually do anything, but think up
>>> work for others to do and ways of making more effective the work of
>>> these others - the few hundred hard core activists making changes -
>>> might produce results.
>>>
>>>
>>> 3. I am very proud of what I do.  We need to ensure that the profession
>>> does survive.  I am sure you will get a number of intersting replies.
>>> The healthy debate issues is a problem.  I have noticed  on a number of
>>> occasions how some issues seem to get very personal, very quickly when
>>> discussed openly on the discussion boards. It can be quite off putting.
>>>
>>> 4.I gave up "buying into" CILIP some years ago, around the time of the
>>> melding together of the two institutions.  Not that in itself it was a
>>> reason so to do. However, it was about the time I became aware of a
>>> lack
>>> of support for the Library worker, or as in the general parlance "the
>>> professional".
>>> There was nothing to help us on our electronic way [during the People's
>>> Netowrk birth pangs], no guidance and advice around the real issues of
>>> then - how to create a user profile in Win 2K operating systems would
>>> have been a HUGE help at the time.  Real on the ground in the frontline
>>> support - a framework of "how to" would have been great!  Instead of
>>> which there were as many ways of doing things as there are authorities,
>>> in much the same way as MLA don't give solid, professional guidance
>>> neither does CILIP.  We all appear to be adrift beavering away
>>> reinventing the wheel (and other component parts).
>>> Wouldn't it be nice to have a central repository of policy, as a "for
>>> instance"... instead we all do it!
>>> I read of Library Authorities no longer choosing to employ library
>>> professionals, or letting library professionals go.  I heard at a
>>> recent
>>> conference, "Librarians?  Too expensive, we don't need to do 'all that
>>> stuff'. "  My own authority has given up its corporate membership as
>>> they don't "feel the support" and also have savings to make, the CILIP
>>> annual fee was seen as easy to let go. However, the professionals felt
>>> the sleight.  It just adds to loss of currency, lack of respect &
>>> understanding for a qualification and of course the experience that
>>> goes
>>> with it.
>>> I don't mean to be "glass half empty" but sometimes it is difficult to
>>> be otherwise.
>>>
>>>
>>> 5.Like me. I read the jobs section when I need a new job, maybe flick
>>> through the magazine when I'm sitting on the loo but UNISON has done
>>> more for me professionally than CILIP, at least they aren't going about
>>> how I should use my own personal time to take part in continual
>>> professional re-accreditation, or has CILIP dropped that idea now?
>>>
>>> 6. I wonder what the benchmark is for professional bodies such as Cilip
>>> in terms of member turnout, and how others attract members to engage?
>>> Good that you're raising this though, I wouldn't have picked up on the
>>> turnout figure...
>>>
>>>
>>> 7.I just wanted to say, as an individual, that I commend your call.
>>>
>>> I admit to being one of the disaffected non-voters.  I do support
>>> Cilip,
>>> in my profession, in encouraging students to join, and as a mentor,
>>> BUT..
>>>
>>> There has been a lot of good work going on and efforts to make changes,
>>> that is obvious. But, I am not happy at how Cilip represents the
>>> profession.  I would prefer to be part of a wider information
>>> professionals group, of which librarians are a sub-group.  I personally
>>> feel Cilip missed an opportunity when the IIS and LA joined forces.
>>> Whether we agree with it or not, people do not like to be associated
>>> with the more traditional and negative images of librarians.  Image and
>>> branding is an issue, and soft pretty pink Cilip logos.... well what
>>> can
>>> I say.  I'm not sure if it sends out the right message.
>>>  Many of my friends within the profession have chosen to stop their
>>> Cilip membership as they feel it actually has a detrimental affect on
>>> their career prospects.  Very worrying, and yes very sad.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sorry, I've just said everything I've wanted to say for a long time,
>>> and
>>> not dared.  When I have broached these feeling to Cilip officials in
>>> the
>>> past at Cilip events, I have been shouted down and not listened to.  It
>>> will take a lot to win people back.
>>>
>>> So trustees, the future of the professional body is to an extent in
>>> your
>>> hands. The future, the present indeed, does not sound healthy and we
>>> have voted for you in TRUST to do something about it. Reading your
>>> manifestoes there is some mention of all this, but I, and I am sure
>>> others, will be looking at your record in office, your communication
>>> with the membership and the profession at large,your receptivness to
>>> the
>>> profession and hoping we can see not only signs of life, but a
>>> responsive attitude to improvement and growth. We want and we need a
>>> strong, vibrant and relevant professional body, not one that is
>>> haemorrhaging members and is held in less than the highest regard.
>>> Things are NOT going to get any easier in this 21st. Century., there is
>>> a lot of competition out there for what we do. So let your actions
>>> speak
>>> volumes, don't get bogged down in the minutiae of running Cilip , leave
>>> that to the staff (and Bob you also need to take heed, hope you are
>>> reading emails in the Hague at IFLA), and as Lynne Brindley said, 'Just
>>> do it' and as I say' START doing it now, and make a difference'!! You
>>> have the role now do the job!!
>>>
>>> f
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: CILIP's University, College & Research Special Interest Group
>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Johnson Gareth
>>> Sent: 06 December 2007 10:45
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: FW: CILIP announces new Board of Trustees
>>>
>>> For information
>>>
>>> G
>>>  CILIP : the Chartered Institute of Library and Information
>>> Professionals
>>>
>>>> 7 Ridgmount St, London WC1E 7AE.
>>>>
>>>> Tel: 020 7255 0500
>>>> Textphone: 020 7255 0505
>>>> Fax: 020 7255 0501
>>>> Mailto:[log in to unmask]
>>>>
>>>> News from CILIP
>>>> 6 December 2007
>>>>
>>>> CILIP announces new Board of Trustees
>>>>
>>>> CILIP Members have elected the twelve Trustees to serve on its
>>>>
>>> reformed Council, which takes effect from 1 January 2008.
>>>
>>>> They are: Chris Armstrong, Judy Broady-Preston, Paul Clarke, Veronica
>>>>
>>> Fraser, Isabel Hood, Ayub Khan, Dion Lindsay, Nigel Macartney, Liz
>>> Maclachlan, Caroline Moss-Gibbons, Diana Nutting, and Bruce Royan.
>>>
>>>> Bob McKee, Chief Executive of CILIP, said "CIILP has been working hard
>>>>
>>> on Governance issues over the last two years. The twelve Trustees were
>>> elected from a strong list of candidates. They will drive CILIP forward
>>> over the coming years".
>>>
>>>> Contact: Daniel Sabel, Governance Manager Tel:020 7255 0656
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Notes for Editors
>>>>
>>>> CILIP: the Chartered Institute of Library and Information
>>>>
>>> Professionals is the leading professional body for librarians,
>>> information specialists and knowledge managers.  It forms a community
>>> of
>>> around 36,000 people engaged in library and information work, of whom
>>> around 21,000 are CILIP members and around 15,000 are regular customers
>>> of CILIP Enterprises.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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