Hi Jeremy,
I'm not sure biomed was aware of this. I don't have those jobs on my
cluster and I was keen to give Heinz the benefit of the doubt as I met
him and seemed a reasonable guy. But this is even worst than I expected.
Since it comes from the management and violates all the rules of trust
that this grid is built upon. I mean so long for policies and AUPs. They
couldn't do more damage.
I also agree with Kostas that "Sorry" is not enough.
cheers
alessandra
Coles, J (Jeremy) wrote:
> Hi Kostas/Graeme/All
>
> I agree that this needs to be escalated and it will be. First though I
> would like biomed representatives and Heinz to explain/respond - I can
> not think of a justification on their side but that does not mean there
> isn't one. Once everyone has responded directly (or if the ticket goes
> without a proper response) then it can be taken further. Tier-2s/sites
> are of course able to decide themselves if they wish to take more
> immediate action as some have already done.
>
> Regards,
> Jeremy
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Testbed Support for GridPP member institutes [mailto:TB-
>> [log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Kostas Georgiou
>> Sent: 01 November 2007 02:19
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: Heinz' Challenge
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 01, 2007 at 12:19:26AM +0000, Graeme Stewart wrote:
>>
>>> From the CIC portal, biomed described itself as:
>>>
>>> "These VO covers the areas related to health sciences. Currently, it
>>> is divided in 3 sectors: medical imaging, bioinformatics and drug
>>> discovery."
>>>
>>> We support the VO for it to engage in _that_ work, and we're happy
> to
>>> have done work related to malaria, avian flu, etc. However, I don't
>>> see anything about rsa768 factorisation.
>>>
>>> So, this is, to my mind, even worse. This is not just Heinz being a
>>> loose cannon, but sites being conned by top level EGEE management
>>> into running jobs to which they had in no way agreed to run.
>>>
>>> The problem was then exacerbated by the way that Heinz wrote the
>>> code, which resulted in biomed being able to grab far more of many,
>>> many clusters in the UK than was reasonable. (And so much for EGEE
>>> promoting push model RBs - just send in the pilots and watch our
>>> fairsharing go all to hell.)
>> This is exactly what I was going to say (better worded and probably
> far
>> more polite though).
>>
>>> Frankly, as the UK, I think we should give them a bloody rocket for
>>> this. They've shown huge disrespect to sites - and how on earth can
>>> they expect other EGEE users and VOs to play by the rules when then
>>> engage in such a gross violation of our trust?
>> ...
>>> We haven't banned biomed - we've banned Heinz. And I am in no hurry
>>> to unban him. I'd expect an apology at the very least, as well as an
>>> assurance that this will not happen again.
>> People should keep in mind that we are going to have similar cases in
>> the future. If our responce today is going to be "a sorry is enough"
>> what is going to stop the next user doing the same thing tomorrow
>> considering how hard it is for us to spot an abuse? Unless there is
>> a strong repsonce people will think "If I am not found (quite likely)
>> great, if I am found a sorry will solve everything".
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Kostas
>>
>> PS> BTW if the management agrees that breaking rsa768 is fine then
> I'll
>> have a go as well or is it only Heinz/biomed that can have a go?
>
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