Can I ask sites NOT to block Biomed as a VO just now and let the process
take its course for a while as jeremy asks.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Testbed Support for GridPP member institutes
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Coles, J (Jeremy)
> Sent: 01 November 2007 02:39
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Heinz' Challenge
>
> Hi Kostas/Graeme/All
>
> I agree that this needs to be escalated and it will be. First
> though I would like biomed representatives and Heinz to
> explain/respond - I can not think of a justification on their
> side but that does not mean there isn't one. Once everyone
> has responded directly (or if the ticket goes without a
> proper response) then it can be taken further. Tier-2s/sites
> are of course able to decide themselves if they wish to take
> more immediate action as some have already done.
>
> Regards,
> Jeremy
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Testbed Support for GridPP member institutes [mailto:TB-
> > [log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Kostas Georgiou
> > Sent: 01 November 2007 02:19
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: Heinz' Challenge
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 01, 2007 at 12:19:26AM +0000, Graeme Stewart wrote:
> >
> > > From the CIC portal, biomed described itself as:
> > >
> > > "These VO covers the areas related to health sciences.
> Currently, it
> > > is divided in 3 sectors: medical imaging, bioinformatics and drug
> > > discovery."
> > >
> > > We support the VO for it to engage in _that_ work, and we're happy
> to
> > > have done work related to malaria, avian flu, etc.
> However, I don't
> > > see anything about rsa768 factorisation.
> > >
> > > So, this is, to my mind, even worse. This is not just
> Heinz being a
> > > loose cannon, but sites being conned by top level EGEE management
> > > into running jobs to which they had in no way agreed to run.
> > >
> > > The problem was then exacerbated by the way that Heinz wrote the
> > > code, which resulted in biomed being able to grab far
> more of many,
> > > many clusters in the UK than was reasonable. (And so much
> for EGEE
> > > promoting push model RBs - just send in the pilots and watch our
> > > fairsharing go all to hell.)
> >
> > This is exactly what I was going to say (better worded and probably
> far
> > more polite though).
> >
> > > Frankly, as the UK, I think we should give them a bloody
> rocket for
> > > this. They've shown huge disrespect to sites - and how on
> earth can
> > > they expect other EGEE users and VOs to play by the rules
> when then
> > > engage in such a gross violation of our trust?
> > ...
> > > We haven't banned biomed - we've banned Heinz. And I am
> in no hurry
> > > to unban him. I'd expect an apology at the very least, as
> well as an
> > > assurance that this will not happen again.
> >
> > People should keep in mind that we are going to have
> similar cases in
> > the future. If our responce today is going to be "a sorry is enough"
> > what is going to stop the next user doing the same thing tomorrow
> > considering how hard it is for us to spot an abuse? Unless
> there is a
> > strong repsonce people will think "If I am not found (quite likely)
> > great, if I am found a sorry will solve everything".
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Kostas
> >
> > PS> BTW if the management agrees that breaking rsa768 is fine then
> I'll
> > have a go as well or is it only Heinz/biomed that can have a go?
>
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