Aylen Capparelli schrieb:
> Dear list members,
> I am trying to send Aldona the MS for the 14th IWGP Proceedings but I
> failed all the times. All the emails are coming back to me. Have you
> got any of you the same problem? I don't know how to communicate with her.
> Thank you for your answer
> Aylen Capparelli
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Stefanie Jacomet <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
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> *Sent:* Monday, October 29, 2007 3:20 AM
> *Subject:* AW: cess pit mineralised material
>
> Hallo to all,
>
> there is plenty of literature about such mineralised stuff from
> latrines from central Europe, although a lot in german (or
> French), but there is also stuff in English. Wendy Carruthers did
> a lot, the first in the 70ies was F. Green (a Naomi already told
> you). We find such layers e.g. on the bottom of pits in Roman
> legionary camps (or other Roman settlements) as well as in the
> middle ages (many of them in towns). I attach here some citations,
> I tried to be es anglish as possible. Concerning animal remains
> (small animals) see Hüster-Plogamann et al. 2006. In Jacomet 2003
> (unfortunately in German) I tried to compile the current
> literature. Hope this helps! Stefanie
>
> Bakels, C. C. und Dijkman, W. (2000) Maastricht in the first
> millenium AD. The archaeobotanical evidence. Archaeologia Mosana
> 2, 78.
>
> Carruthers, W. (1986) The Late Bronze Age Midden at Potterne.
> Circea 4/1, 16-17.
>
> Carruthers, W. (1991) Mineralised Plant Remains: Some Examples
> from Sites in Southern England. In: Palaeoethnobotany and
> Archaeology. International Work-Group for Palaeoethnobotany 8th
> Symposium Nitra-Nové Vozokany 1989. In: Hajnalova, E. (Hrsg.)
> Palaeoethnobotany and Archaeology. International Work-Group for
> Palaeoethnobotany 8th Symposium Nitra-Nové Vozokany 1989. ACTA 7.
> Nitra,* *75-80.
>
> Carruthers, W. (2000) Mineralised plant remains. In: Lawson, A. J.
> (Hrsg.) Potterne 1982-5: Animal husbandry in later prehistoric
> Wiltshire. Wessey Archaeology Report 17,* *72-84.
>
> Ciaraldi, M. (2000) Drug preparation in evidence? An unusual plant
> and bone assemblage from the Pompeian countryside, Italy.
> Vegetation History and Archaeobotany 9/2, 91-98.
>
> Dickson, C. (1989) Human coprolites. In: Bell, B. und Dickson, C.
> (Hrsg.) Excavations at Warebeth (Stromness Cemetery) Broch,
> Orkney. Proc Soc Antiq Scot 119,* *115-131.
>
> Green, F. J. (1979a) Botanical Remains. In: J.S.F. Walker (ed.),
> Excavations in Medieval Tenements on the Quilter's Valut Site in
> Southampton. In: Walker, J. S. F. (Hrsg.) Excavations in Medieval
> Tenements on the Quilter's Valut Site in Southampton. Proc. Hants.
> Field Club Archaeol. Soc. 35,* *183.
>
> Green, F. J. (1979b) Collection and Interpretation of Botanical
> Information from medieval Urban Excavations in Southern England.
> In: Körber-Grohne, U. (Hrsg.) Festschrift Maria Hopf zum 65.
> Geburtstag am 14. September 1979. Archaeo-Physika 8. Köln,* *39-55.
>
> Green, F. J. (1979c) Phosphatic mineralization of seeds from
> archaeological sites. Journal of Archaeological Science 6, 279-284.
>
> Hellwig, M. (1997) Plant remains from two cesspits (15th and 16th
> century) and a pond (13th century) from Göttingen, southern Lower
> Saxony, Germany. Vegetation History and Archaeoabotany 6/2, 105-116.
>
> Hüster-Plogmann, H., Jacomet, S. und Hagendorn, A. (2006)
> Unspecified early Roman pits: an Interdisciplinary Excursion to
> Identify the Use of Pits in Vindonissa (Windisch), Switzerland.
> In: Maltby, M. (Hrsg.) Integrating Zooarchaeology. Proceedings ot
> the 9th Conferece of the International Council of Archaeozoology,
> Durham, August 2002 Oxford,* *92-97.
>
> Hüster-Plogmann, H., Jacomet, S., Klee, M., Müller, U. und Vogel
> Müller, V. (2003) Ein stilles Örtchen. Zur Latrinengrube in Feld
> 6, Grabung TOP-Haus AG, Kaiseraugst (2001.01). Jahresberichte aus
> Augst und Kaiseraugst 24, 159-191.
>
> Jacomet, S. (2003) Und zum Dessert Granatapfel - Ergebnisse der
> archäobotanischen Untersuchungen. In: Hagendorn, A., Doppler, H.
> W., Huber, A., Hüster-Plogmann, H., Jacomet, S., Meyer-Freuler,
> C., Pfäffli, B. und Schibler, J. (Hrsg.) Zur Frühzeit von
> Vindonissa. Auswertung der Holzbauten der Grabung Windisch-Breite
> 1996-1998. Veröffentlichungen der Gesellschaft Pro Vindonissa 18.
> Brugg,* *48-79; 173-229; 482-492.
>
> Kenward, H. und Hall, A. (2000) Decay of delicate organic remains
> in shallow urban deposits: are we at a watershed? Antquity 74,
> 519-525.
>
> Stika, H.-P. (1997) Pflanzenreste aus dem archaischen Milet.
> Vorbericht zur Kampagne 1992. Archäologischer Anzeiger 2, 157-163.
>
> Prof. Dr. Stefanie Jacomet
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> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] *Im Auftrag von *Sarpaki Anaya
> *Gesendet:* Sonntag, 28. Oktober 2007 19:48
> *An:* [log in to unmask]
> *Betreff:* Re: cess pit mineralised material
>
> Naomi hello and anyone out there,
>
> Yes, there is a possibility that this material could be from
> incompletely digested food....although I do not know how one could
> define this!! I have no idea of anyone having done experiments
> such as archaeozoologists have done!! Yet, what makes me think it
> is partly digested is the shape of legumes..some of which seem to
> have been "bitten"....also seeds which seem like fig seeds have
> concretions around looking like mineralised flesh (?)....
>
> Regarding the rodents..yes, I seem to have a few bones...maybe
> some individuals...I wonder whether "methane" which would exist in
> these sewares would get the rodents "high" to a point to loose
> consciousness!!...and drown...
>
> Thank you for Green's ref. I also traced another ref. Pelling,
> R.2000a The charred and mineralised plant remains.In B.M.Charles,
> et al., A bronze Age ditch and Iron Age Settlement at Elms Farm,
> Humberstore, Licester. Trasactions of Leicestershire Arch.Hist.
> Society 74: 207-213. I cannot trace it here in Crete so if the
> author or anyone else who has access to a full pdf. has it I would
> be very grateful.
>
> It is fun....from burnt dung to human dung.....!!
>
> Thank you for the response,
>
> Anaya
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:* Naomi Miller <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
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> *Sent:* Sunday, October 28, 2007 7:07 PM
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> *Subject:* Re: cess pit mineralised material
>
> Hello, Anaya and everyone else,
>
> Is there any possiblity that the material is from incompletely
> digested food?
>
> Basis for this suggestion:
>
> My favorite deposit ever had lots of mineralized seeds from a
> straight-sided pit that had a diameter of about 1 meter, was
> several meters deep (like a well), the soil had a greenish
> hue. There were hundreds of mineralized grape seeds, many
> identifiable wheat and barley bits (also mineralized, looking
> partly 'digested'), perfectly preserved rodent bones
> representing entire skeletons (including delicate skulls
> floating to the top of the flot. tank), and a high
> concentration of smooth pebbles that easily fit in a hand.
>
> The explanation was latrine (form; chemistry [see Green 1979];
> grape seeds–in one end out the other; wheat and barley–perhaps
> eaten as groats; drowned rodents (like the LaBrea tarpit–once
> they fell in, no other animal was able to fish them out). As
> for the stones, though he refused to be credited for the idea,
> my diss. advisor suggested use as ancient 'toilet paper'.
>
> ref.: Economy and Environment at Malyan, a Third Millennium
> B.C. Urban Center in Southern Iran (1982). Ph.D. diss., U of
> Michigan, Ann Arbor, pp. 363-364 and data tables.
>
> I alluded to this deposit in /Bulletin on Sumerian
> Agriculture/ 1:45-47 (1984), "The Interpretation of Some
> Carbonized Cereal Remains as Remnants of Dung Cake Fuel." It
> was interesting that the proportion of wheat to barley in the
> latrine deposit was exactly opposite of the charred remains
> (reasonable interpretation: remains of human food vs. burned dung)
>
> See also:
>
> Green, Francis
>
> 1979 Phosphatic Mineralization of Seeds from Archaeological
> Sites. /Journal of Archaeological Science/ 6:279-284.
>
> toodle-oo. Naomi
>
> On Oct 26, 2007, at 12:24 PM, Sarpaki Anaya wrote:
>
>
>
> I am looking at few samples from a Minoan sewage at the site
> of Malia in Crete and I am quite baffled by what I
> see......what seems to me to be mineralised seeds, such as
> grape etc. However, legume seeds seem to also have been
> mineralised and also fragments of "pods". As my experience is
> with charred material I find quite difficult to "decipher"
> these forms. I would therefore appreciate to have any
> references which might help me with these. If anybody is
> working on cess pits/sewage mineralised material or has
> published on these, I would very much appreciate to have their
> contact address and/or references.
>
> Thank you for all the help,
>
> Anaya
>
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