Dear Stefanie,
Thank you for your help. I will send the MS to Felix Bittman right now.
Best Wishes

Aylen

Quoting Stefanie Jacomet <[log in to unmask]>:

> No – but you can maybe send your manscript directly to Felix Bittmann!
> Stefanie Jacomet
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> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: The archaeobotany mailing list
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Im Auftrag von Aylen Capparelli
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 1. November 2007 13:14
> An: [log in to unmask]
> Betreff: Aldona Bieniek email
>
> Dear list members,
> I am trying to send Aldona the MS for the 14th IWGP Proceedings but I
> failed all the times. All the emails are coming back to me. Have you got
> any of you the same problem? I don't know how to communicate with her.
> Thank you for your answer
>
> Aylen Capparelli
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Stefanie Jacomet <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 3:20 AM
> Subject: AW: cess pit mineralised material
>
> Hallo to all,
> there is plenty of literature about such mineralised stuff from latrines
> from central Europe, although a lot in german (or French), but there is
> also stuff in English. Wendy Carruthers did a lot, the first in the
> 70ies was F. Green (a Naomi already told you). We find such layers e.g.
> on the bottom of pits  in Roman legionary camps (or other Roman
> settlements) as well as in the middle ages (many of them in towns). I
> attach here some citations, I tried to be es anglish as possible.
> Concerning animal remains (small animals) see Hüster-Plogamann et al.
> 2006. In Jacomet 2003 (unfortunately in German) I tried to compile the
> current literature. Hope this helps! Stefanie
> Bakels, C. C. und Dijkman, W. (2000) Maastricht in the first millenium
> AD. The archaeobotanical evidence. Archaeologia Mosana 2, 78.
> Carruthers, W. (1986) The Late Bronze Age Midden at Potterne. Circea
> 4/1, 16-17.
> Carruthers, W. (1991) Mineralised Plant Remains: Some Examples from
> Sites in Southern England. In: Palaeoethnobotany and Archaeology.
> International Work-Group for Palaeoethnobotany 8th Symposium Nitra-Nové
> Vozokany 1989. In: Hajnalova, E. (Hrsg.) Palaeoethnobotany and
> Archaeology. International Work-Group for Palaeoethnobotany 8th
> Symposium Nitra-Nové Vozokany 1989. ACTA 7. Nitra, 75-80.
> Carruthers, W. (2000) Mineralised plant remains. In: Lawson, A. J.
> (Hrsg.) Potterne 1982-5: Animal husbandry in later prehistoric
> Wiltshire. Wessey Archaeology Report 17, 72-84.
> Ciaraldi, M. (2000) Drug preparation in evidence? An unusual plant and
> bone assemblage from the Pompeian countryside, Italy. Vegetation History
> and Archaeobotany 9/2, 91-98.
> Dickson, C. (1989) Human coprolites. In: Bell, B. und Dickson, C.
> (Hrsg.) Excavations at Warebeth (Stromness Cemetery) Broch, Orkney. Proc
> Soc Antiq Scot 119, 115-131.
> Green, F. J. (1979a) Botanical Remains. In: J.S.F. Walker (ed.),
> Excavations in Medieval Tenements on the Quilter's Valut Site in
> Southampton. In: Walker, J. S. F. (Hrsg.) Excavations in Medieval
> Tenements on the Quilter's Valut Site in Southampton. Proc. Hants. Field
> Club Archaeol. Soc. 35, 183.
> Green, F. J. (1979b) Collection and Interpretation of Botanical
> Information from medieval Urban Excavations in Southern England. In:
> Körber-Grohne, U. (Hrsg.) Festschrift Maria Hopf zum 65. Geburtstag am
> 14. September 1979. Archaeo-Physika 8. Köln, 39-55.
> Green, F. J. (1979c) Phosphatic mineralization of seeds from
> archaeological sites. Journal of Archaeological Science 6, 279-284.
> Hellwig, M. (1997) Plant remains from two cesspits (15th and 16th
> century) and a pond (13th century) from Göttingen, southern Lower
> Saxony, Germany. Vegetation History and Archaeoabotany 6/2, 105-116.
> Hüster-Plogmann, H., Jacomet, S. und Hagendorn, A. (2006) Unspecified
> early Roman pits: an Interdisciplinary Excursion to Identify the Use of
> Pits in Vindonissa (Windisch), Switzerland. In: Maltby, M. (Hrsg.)
> Integrating Zooarchaeology. Proceedings ot the 9th Conferece of the
> International Council of Archaeozoology, Durham, August 2002 Oxford,
> 92-97.
> Hüster-Plogmann, H., Jacomet, S., Klee, M., Müller, U. und Vogel Müller,
> V. (2003) Ein stilles Örtchen. Zur Latrinengrube in Feld 6, Grabung
> TOP-Haus AG, Kaiseraugst (2001.01). Jahresberichte aus Augst und
> Kaiseraugst 24, 159-191.
> Jacomet, S. (2003) Und zum Dessert Granatapfel - Ergebnisse der
> archäobotanischen Untersuchungen. In: Hagendorn, A., Doppler, H. W.,
> Huber, A., Hüster-Plogmann, H., Jacomet, S., Meyer-Freuler, C., Pfäffli,
> B. und Schibler, J. (Hrsg.) Zur Frühzeit von Vindonissa. Auswertung der
> Holzbauten der Grabung Windisch-Breite 1996-1998. Veröffentlichungen der
> Gesellschaft Pro Vindonissa 18. Brugg, 48-79; 173-229; 482-492.
> Kenward, H. und Hall, A. (2000) Decay of delicate organic remains in
> shallow urban deposits: are we at a watershed? Antquity 74, 519-525.
> Stika, H.-P. (1997) Pflanzenreste aus dem archaischen Milet. Vorbericht
> zur Kampagne 1992. Archäologischer Anzeiger 2, 157-163.
>
>
>
>
>
> Prof. Dr. Stefanie Jacomet
> IPNA / IPAS
> Institute of Prehistory and Archaeological Science
> Dept. of Environmental Sciences
> Basel University
> Spalenring 145
> CH-4055 Basel
> http://pages.unibas.ch/arch/
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> +41 61 201 02 11
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> private:
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> Switzerland
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>
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> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: The archaeobotany mailing list
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Im Auftrag von Sarpaki Anaya
> Gesendet: Sonntag, 28. Oktober 2007 19:48
> An: [log in to unmask]
> Betreff: Re: cess pit mineralised material
>
> Naomi hello and anyone out there,
>
> Yes, there is a possibility that this material could be from
> incompletely digested food....although I do not know how one could
> define this!! I have no idea of anyone having done experiments such as
> archaeozoologists have done!! Yet, what makes me think it is partly
> digested is the shape of legumes..some of which seem to have been
> "bitten"....also seeds which seem like fig seeds have concretions around
> looking like mineralised flesh (?)....
>
> Regarding the rodents..yes, I seem to have a few bones...maybe some
> individuals...I wonder whether "methane" which would exist in these
> sewares would get the rodents "high" to a point to loose
> consciousness!!...and drown...
>
> Thank you for Green's ref. I also traced another ref. Pelling, R.2000a
> The charred and mineralised plant remains.In B.M.Charles, et al., A
> bronze Age ditch and Iron Age Settlement at Elms Farm, Humberstore,
> Licester. Trasactions of Leicestershire Arch.Hist. Society 74: 207-213.
> I cannot trace it here in Crete so if the author or anyone else who has
> access to a full pdf. has it I would be very grateful.
>
> It is fun....from burnt dung to human dung.....!!
>
> Thank you for the response,
> Anaya
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Naomi Miller <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
> To: The <mailto:[log in to unmask]>  archaeobotany mailing
> list ; Sarpaki Anaya <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 7:07 PM
> Subject: Re: cess pit mineralised material
>
> Hello, Anaya and everyone else,
>
> Is there any possiblity that the material is from incompletely digested
> food?
>
> Basis for this suggestion:
> My favorite deposit ever had lots of mineralized seeds from a
> straight-sided pit that had a diameter of about 1 meter, was several
> meters deep (like a well), the soil had a greenish hue. There were
> hundreds of mineralized grape seeds, many identifiable wheat and barley
> bits (also mineralized, looking partly 'digested'), perfectly preserved
> rodent bones representing entire skeletons (including delicate skulls
> floating to the top of the flot. tank), and a high concentration of
> smooth pebbles that easily fit in a hand.
>
> The explanation was latrine (form; chemistry [see Green 1979]; grape
> seeds–in one end out the other; wheat and barley–perhaps eaten as
> groats; drowned rodents (like the LaBrea tarpit–once they fell in, no
> other animal was able to fish them out). As for the stones, though he
> refused to be credited for the idea, my diss. advisor suggested use as
> ancient 'toilet paper'.
>
> ref.: Economy and Environment at Malyan, a Third Millennium B.C. Urban
> Center in Southern Iran (1982). Ph.D. diss., U of Michigan, Ann Arbor,
> pp. 363-364 and data tables.
>
> I alluded to this deposit in Bulletin on Sumerian Agriculture 1:45-47
> (1984), "The Interpretation of Some Carbonized Cereal Remains as
> Remnants of Dung Cake Fuel." It was interesting that the proportion of
> wheat to barley in the latrine deposit was exactly opposite of the
> charred remains (reasonable interpretation: remains of human food vs.
> burned dung)
>
> See also:
> Green, Francis
> 1979 Phosphatic Mineralization of Seeds from Archaeological Sites.
> Journal of Archaeological Science 6:279-284.
>
> toodle-oo. Naomi
>
>
> On Oct 26, 2007, at 12:24 PM, Sarpaki Anaya wrote:
>
>
>
> I am looking at few samples from a Minoan sewage at the site of Malia in
> Crete and I am quite baffled by what I see......what seems to me to be
> mineralised seeds, such as grape etc. However, legume seeds seem to also
> have been mineralised and also fragments of "pods". As my experience is
> with charred material I find quite difficult to "decipher" these forms.
> I would therefore appreciate to have any references which might help me
> with these. If anybody is working on cess pits/sewage mineralised
> material or has published on these, I would very much appreciate to have
> their contact address and/or references.
>
> Thank you for all the help,
>
> Anaya
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