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Subject:

Re: 3T versus 1.5T in VBM

From:

David Carmichael <[log in to unmask]>

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On Behalf Of Doug Burman
Sent: 08 October 2007 14:53
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: [SPM] FDR correction

I have an article that has been reviewed where the only major complaint
was that the reviewer would not accept the results as valid because we
used a FDR correction (p=0.05) -- even though our cluster sizes were
fairly large, we also used an extent threshold of 25, and our Z-scores
were generally greater than 5.0. The editor is backing him up, and
refuses to publish our findings unless we satisfy him that our "result
is
not a chance finding".

Many of our primary findings would survive a FWE correction if we
applied
a mask. I find it disturbing, however, that a FDR correction is not
considered an acceptable method for multiple-comparisons correction by
this reviewer / editor, and some highly-informative brain / behavior
correlations in our study require this correction. Any suggestions on
articles and explanations on the validity of the FDR approach?

(I know this has been discussed on the list before, but I suspect the
listserv discussion will not in itself satisfy the editor.)

Doug Burman47_10Oct200714:32:[log in to unmask]

Date:

Wed, 31 Oct 2007 18:15:21 +0000

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Dear Kim,

I am not knowledgeable about VBM - but can suggest from the MRI side  
that your sentence is unlikely to always be true.

At 3T you will suffer from reduced spatial uniformity of the B1 field  
used for signal excitation, leading to increased spatial  
non-uniformity. Depending on the pulse sequence used this will  
normally also make your contrast spatially varying as well (and this  
is much harder to correct for).

It is also possible (again depending on your pulse sequence) that you  
get greater artefacts in your 3T image such as distortion or point  
spread function degradation that could also influence your detection  
negatively.

At 3T you will always get better signal to noise in the images all  
other things being equal (though they rarely are - and you always need  
different parameters to optimise sequences at each field strength!)  
and this can be exchanged for better resolution.

In short it will depend on optimisation of both your acquisition and  
VBM processing. When well optimised 3T is likely to give a better  
result.

David Carmichael

MR Physicist
UCL Institute of Neurology

Quoting ??? <[log in to unmask]>:

> Dear experts,
>
> Is the following sentence always true?
> "When compared to a 1.5T scanner, VBM analysis using a 3T MR scanner has an
> increased sensitivity for detecting subtle gray matter abnormalities and a
> better segmentation of gray matter/white matter"
> If so, please let me know reliable references.
>
>
> Thanks a million.
>
> Kim
>

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