Hi Mark et al
Thanks for all the hard work that you've put into this. Love the headline!
Would it work better with a question mark?
I thought I'd offer
(1) a suggested form of words to address Deborah's important point about
treatment "eligibility"
(2) ditto re: other forms of inequality/discrimination
(3) just a couple of tiny, pedantic, fine-tunes and
(4) stick my hand up to be a contact point for enquiries: contact details are
in my 'signature'.
So, could Point 4 expand slightly to say something like:
the effectiveness of CBT and kindred interventions in any hands is widely
exaggerated and they are impossible to apply in many situations, for example
with people who have intellectual impairments, people who have no language,
or people who are from many non-western cultures...
And point 6...
It is bad enough to be depressed because you have been unemployed, have been
the victim of routine racial vilification or of homophobic harassment, or to
be anxious because you are subjected to regular domestic violence...
Pedantry now
Point 2 may read better as '... the scale of socially caused distress is so
vast, and growing so rapidly, that it is impossible...'
Point 3 may read better as '..could train enough practitioners, there is
little reason to think that one to one...'
Point 7 '...those treated go back into the psychologically toxic contexts
which made...'
Over to you....
M
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Subject: Re: The CBT announcement - who is going to tell them they've been
had? Final draft. please add your name.
Here then is what I hope will be the final draft. Of course we could go
on fine tuning it, but I suggest that it is now good enough to go.
It is a Word attachment.
It looks like we are going without affiliations and titles (since we don't
have them for everyone)
Main changes:
1. taken out reference to clinical psychologists in point 1
2. added further names - Jan and Paul I added yours as you seemed to
imply support but didn't specifically state your support - some others
have commented largely positively but had significant reservations so
haven't added their names - let me know if you want to come in.
3. added reference to the stepped model in point 3
4. added a paragraph on what the network is at point 9
5. I've just seen Bob's suggested points and like them. If nobody
objects I think they could helpfully go in too.
Still needed:
1. Any fax nos and other suggestions for good places to send it.
2. Someone to volunteer as contact point for enquiries - this can be to
route them to other people
3. Still time to add your name to the statement
4. If anyone wants to add footnotes to references - e.g. Wilkinson and
evidence on treatment effectiveness, I think it could bear two or three
to show that this isn't just opinion.
5. I'll post it on the www.compsy.org.uk site too once finalised.
Aboslute final deadline is now 5.30pm today
And thanks everyone for the great response - feels like the list is really
working - very constructive, respectful and action oriented debate.
By the way - I hope I don't seem to be taking over - I'm responding to
David's request that I finalise it with Julie (who has now sent her
stylistic contribution).
Mark
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