Dear All,
I cc'ed Heinz, Bob and Erwin on this email but they seem to have been
stripped out by JISCMAIL. I think that it could be valuable to include
them in discussion on this point (which is why I cc'ed them in the first
place) so people might want to cc them directly as well.
All the best,
david
David Colling wrote:
> Dear All,
>
> I mailed Heinz with the concerns expressed here and on the dteam list
> about him running RSA-768 challenge jobs under the biomed VO and this
> being seen as abuse. I also asked about the size of the jobs being a
> problem.
>
> Dealing with the second point first...
> Heinz' reply was that he did put the size of the job in the JDL so it
> was only running at sites that were advertising that they could cope
> with such jobs - as ours must have been (Mona and Kostas, please can you
> look at this for our site as clearly we cannot cope with more than 2 per
> 4 core machine).
>
> On the first point...
> (Heinz, please correct me if I am wrong.)
>
> Heinz said that he was indeed running as part of this challenge and was
> doing so with the full encouragement of Bob and Erwinwho were very keen
> to see the results. He was doing this as biomed because of a lack of any
> other VO that was any more appropriate.
>
> Explained in these terms I can see all sides of this discussion as
> having some validity. I can see why "the management" are keen perform
> very well in such challenges. Heinz is only a member of the biomed VO
> and besides, currently, there isn't an appropriate VO for this work.
> Equally, I can see that a site like Glasgow (chosen only because Graeme
> has the hard numbers) viewing it as abuse that 50,000 CPU hours that
> they thought were going on biomedical research being used on this
> challenge, especially when they have very many queuing Atlas jobs. While
> they might be very happy to be part of this challenge (or may not be I
> haven't asked) they would probably haven given it a lower priority than
> biomedical research. Clearly, the answer is to set up up a challenge VO
> that people can support in its own right for such things (and can give
> it whatever priority they want). Is this something that we should do in
> the UK or should be somewhere else (or doesn't it matter where ;-)
>
> There was the further problem that raising tickets against biomed didn't
> get any response for sometime and then I don't get the impression that
> they had actually made it as far as Heinz. Showing a communication issue.
>
> This incident has caused quite a problem, resulting in Heinz/biomed
> being banned from large (and increasing) fraction of UK sites for abuse.
> I would suggest both that this ban be lifted and that a challenge VO is
> set up for this sort of thing sooner rather than later.
>
>
> All the best,
> david
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