Sadly, dilemmas, by definition, don't have "solutions"
Meanwhile, some of you may know that JCPCP continues to survive only by the
goodwill of it's publishers, PCCS Books. They continue by dint of a highly
marketable series aimed at person-centred counsellors. Their Critical
Division, mostly commissioned by Guy Holmes and myself makes no money but is
a rare voice in the wilderness. The next issue of JCPCP is edited by Mark
Rapley and features the tributes to Mary Boyle at the recent UEL event. The
cotents are:
The Journal of Critical Psychology, Counselling and Psychotherapy
Volume 7
Number 4
Winter 2007
Editorial: Smash the Mirror
Mark Rapley
Drawing Back the Curtain: Maintaining a critical approach to clinical
psychology training
Sarah Davidson, Dave Harper, Nimisha Patel and Angela Byrne
Demonstrate, unequivocally, the existence of ONE theory or practice of
psychology that has been for the general good
Matthew Jones-Chesters
Can Trauma Cause 'Psychosis'? Revisiting (another) taboo subject
Lucy Johnstone
The implausibility of researching and regulating psychotherapy
Craig Newnes
The Prevention of Torture: A role for clinical psychologists?
Nimisha Patel
Models: A pragmatic perspective
Matthew Jones-Chesters
W(h)ither Clinical Psychology? A Tribute to Mary Boyle
Arlene Vetere and Mary John
Book Reviews
Spring or Summer 08 will be a tribute issue to Terence Mac, edited by Ian
Parker. If you want this lone voice to continue, we need subscriptions.
These are £135 p.a. for institutions and £35 for individuals. Of course,
institutional subs mean more readers. You can find more info from
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In some ways I am happy to fall well below the critical economic cut off (we
are already on about 70 inst subs). After all, Balzac's Les Chouans sold
ziltch until he'd revised and reprinted it several times and reviewed it
under pseudonyms in pamphletts a mate had printed - and who am I to
challenge Mr B?
Craig
---- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Burton" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 9:15 AM
Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] Dr No
I too think this is an elegant solution to a real dilemma.
There is at least one 11+ failure among the professors on the list by the
way.
> Hi all,
>
> Thanks for all the wonderful discussion over the last two weeks. I seem to
> have spent a lot of time recently shouting my dissatisfaction at the news
> on the radio, so it's great to be part of a network that is doing
> something more constructive!
>
> I really like Paul's idea of a collective list of titles and statuses.
> Seems like a great solution to using our collective credibility and power
> to our advantage without becoming hierarchical. I think it is this
> network's great strength that it includes a range of individuals, who have
> had a range of experiences. I would suspect this is where our collective
> power lies.
>
> Alex
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: The UK Community Psychology Discussion List on behalf of Paul@home
> Sent: Wed 17/10/2007 23:43
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Dr No
>
>
> One option would be to list the types of affiliations & qualifications and
> titles separate from the names.
>
> In the past when working with mental health service users we used our
> different titles, statuses etc collectively (we would tell the
> professionals we were consulting with that our group included academics,
> campaigners, mental health service users/survivors, psychologists,
> students, volunteer workers and so and and that between us we had XX years
> of experience of mental health services across those roles ). We would
> never voluntarily disclose which of us individually had what status as we
> used our collective voice (indeed many of us had multiple roles - Claire
> talked about something very similar at the CPUK York conference in her
> wonderful contribution prior to the plenary session). We would have the
> option of doing that with our press release and letter if we could use
> (assuming we could have) a collective voice and assuming our network
> includes as many service users as providers and as many academic as
> practioners (which I doubt). When working with professionals, we would
> often find they would try and spot the 'professional' in our group and
> spot the 'service user/survivor' - the academic in the group would most
> likely be labelled the service user (and probably attract the diagnosis of
> a 'high functioning autism spectrum disorder' with 'bi-polar').
>
> I have also found that some people I work with who do not have the types
> of affiliations and statuses that give them profession-level entry status
> to medical and academic institutions like to have people on their side who
> do so that they can use those affliations and statuses to jimmie open the
> doors to those institutions that might otherwise be shut. Different
> statuses can afford or deny us access to different institutions. I would
> like to think that those in our network who have the experience and
> qualification associated with being primarily a service user can open
> doors for those who don't and those of us who have the experience and
> qualifications associated with primarily being a service provider can do
> likewise. I know of mental health service user organisations that treat
> letters from people who use titles of Dr and Professor etc as junk mail,
> i.e., as indicative of low status. I don't like inverting the power
> dynamics like that becuase it is still oppressive (it just switches who
> gets the sh*tty end of the stick), I don't like ignoring power dynamics
> because we can't, at present, wish them away. I do relish subverting the
> power dynamics and our network has the potential to do so as to change the
> ebb and flow of the power dynamics we become emmersed in.
>
> As an aside, in the UK the titles 'doctor', 'psychologist', 'professor'
> are not protected titles (though the health professions council have
> sought to place health psychologists, counsellors and psychotherapist
> under their 'protection') which means anyone at present can give
> themselves these titles (e.g., Dr Fox [radio-DJ], Dr Gillian McKeith
> [poo-fiddler], Professor Yaffle [the woodpecker from Bagpus] etc) so in
> that regard we can all call ourselves doctors, professors and
> psychologists, though I fear if we did, our network would soon be viewed
> as junk by those who really matter.
>
> p
>
>
> Paul Duckett
> Division of Psychology and Social Change
> Manchester Metropolitan University
> England
> Phone +44 161 247 2552
> Fax +44 161 247 6364
> email: [log in to unmask]
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: The UK Community Psychology Discussion List
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of David Fryer
> Sent: 17 October 2007 21:31
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] rank outsider
>
>
> Dear All,
>
> I am personally very uncomfortable with the 'rank and status beauty
> contest' associated with the letter, which inevitably leads to us being
> sorted hierarchically from 'mere' service user . . . to 'humble
> postgrad' . . to dr this or that to . the 'eminent consultant professor'
> (going down in status from a cp point of view of course) . For those of
> us at the York meeting one of the most poignant moments was when Claire
> spoke out about the way status differentials had been reproduced within
> the conference community and how bad that made her feel. I don't want to
> be involved in doing that on the list so would prefer my name not to
> feature at the foot of the letter please.
>
> Also, to let you know that Mark Rapley and I were the two named contacts
> on the press release and I was in my office today but have not yet
> received any follow up enquiries today from journalists by phone or email
> following the press e-release. Maybe you did, Mark, or maybe there will
> be a 'slow release' percolation. I am away at meetings in Glasgow all day
> Thursday so any enquiries will presumably find there way to you, Mark.
>
> David (11 plus failure)
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: The UK Community Psychology Discussion List on behalf of Mark
> Rapley
> Sent: Wed 17/10/2007 18:15
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Trying again with attachment!
>
>
>
> Hi Valeska et al
> Thanks Mark for your kind words. And to Dave Harper (off list) and
> Michael
> Gopfert for helpful editorial comments.
> I have to agree this time that Vladimir Illyich was on to something, so
> if
> signatories so far could provide their rank/affiliations that would be a
> great help. And I reckon that being seen as a coalition of academics,
> 'humble
> postgrads' and the non-affiliated carries considerably more weight than
> just
> us pointy-heads on our own.....
> And still open to suggestions/details of editors to be recipients!
> M
>
> Mark Rapley, PhD,
> Professor of Clinical Psychology,
> Programme Director - Doctoral Degree in Clinical Psychology,
> School of Psychology,
> University of East London,
> London, E15 4LZ,
> U.K.
>
> Tel: +44 (0)208 223 6392 (Direct)
> Tel: +44 (0)208 223 4567 (Messages)
> Tel: +44 (0)7951 908409 (Mobile)
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: The UK Community Psychology Discussion List on behalf of Valeska
> Matziol
> Sent: Wed 17-Oct-07 17:54
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Trying again with attachment!
>
> Hello everyone!
>
> I've only caught up with my emails and this debate
> today and have spent the last two hours reading
> through the vast amount of postings and expressed
> opinions and think it's great that there is such
> vibrant and open dialogue on this list. Thanks for all
> the food for thought!
>
> Valeska
>
>
> PS: Feel free to use my name to the statement though
> I'm not sure how much use the humble opinion of a
> postgrad will be! ;)
>
>
> --- Mark Burton <[log in to unmask]> schrieb:
>
> > Yes - succeeded both technically and conceptually!
> > I think you've
> > succesfully added in some missing bits on evidence.
> > I would suggest we don't try to mess much more with
> > it, but try to get
> > some more signatures.
> > I'm afraid I do think it would help to make the
> > point is people's rank and
> > affiliation were to be included. Yes those status
> > hierarchies are there
> > and it will do a wee bit of reproduction of them but
> > I think that's
> > forgiveable in the cause of making an effective
> > intervention (I'm turning
> > Leninist in my old age...). If there is a strong
> > wave of disagreement
> > with this suggestion I'm happy to withdaw it however
> > (in the interests of
> > democvratic centralism).
> >
> > Mark
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > Succeeded.
> > >
> > > M
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > >
> > > From: The UK Community Psychology Discussion List
> > > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
> > Of Mark Rapley
> > > Sent: 17 October 2007 14:00
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Trying again with attachment!
> > >
> > >
> > >
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