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Subject:

Re: Trying PPI for the first time

From:

Darren G <[log in to unmask]>

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[log in to unmask][log in to unmask]]
Sent: Thursday, 6 September 2007 8:19 PM
To: Stephen Duma
Cc: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [SPM] Search Volume Size

Hi Stephen,

> the volume size SPM gives at the bottom of the results table
> is different to the actual volume of the ROI

I've had a quick glance at the code, and can think of a couple of
reasons why this might be the case... The relevant lines from
spm_VOI.m are:

82 XYZmm = SPM.xVol.M(1:3,:)*[SPM.xVol.XYZ; ones(1, SPM.xVol.S)];
117 XYZ = D.mat \ [XYZmm; ones(1, size(XYZmm, 2))];
118 k = find(spm_sample_vol(D, XYZ(1,:), XYZ(2,:), XYZ(3,:),0) > 0);
122 xSPM.S = length(k);

where xSPM.S is the number of voxels, as reported by spm_list.m.

The first line finds the world/mm coordinates for all the voxels
within the original analysis mask, which includes any explicit mask,
and any absolute or relative thresholding that you specified before
estimating the model, and also automatic masking out of any voxels
where the data is constant over all scans. So this is one reason why
your eventual search volume may not match that of your ROI -- namely,
if your ROI includes voxels outside this analysis mask. This could
lead to quite large discrepencies, if e.g. you had a ROI which
included large amounts of non-GM and you'd used threshold-masking
which excluded this. You didn't say how different your results were?

The second line above converts from world/mm space to the voxel space
of the ROI image. The resulting voxel-space coordinates need not be
integer voxel indices; spm_sample_vol will interpolate to the nearest
neighbour (NN interpolation is specified by the final argument of 0).
So if the voxel-dimensions or orientation of your ROI image don't
exactly match that of your statistic image, then the volume in the
statistic image which gets analysed may not match the volume of the
ROI. This should (as far I as I can see) be a very small discrepency.

I would check these two options in reverse order: i.e. first use
spm_check_orientations or similar to verify that your ROI and
statistic images have the same dimensions etc. Then create a new mask
image which is the intersection of your ROI mask and the analysis mask
(saved as mask.img in the results directory) e.g. using imcalc with an
expression of '(i1>0).*(i2>0)'. Then if you sum the voxels in this new
image, e.g. with:
vol = spm_vol('new_mask.img'(;
img = spm_read_vols(vol);
n = sum(img(:) > 0)
hopefully that will match the volume reported by SVC in SPM.

Let me and the list know whether this explains your findings.
Cheers,
Ged.42_10Sep200717:21:[log in to unmask]

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Thu, 27 Sep 2007 16:27:43 -0500

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theresa:

==============Original message text===============
On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 1:49:51 pm CDT "Pape, Theresa" wrote:

All
I just tried PPR with SPM5 (using Matlab 7.10)  for the first time and I
am pretty sure that I have made an error in my logic or in my
procedures, but I am not sure. 

I have 6 conditions:
Rest = Silence 
Click  = Clicking (A non-vocal sound)
NFV SON = A non-familiar voice calling subject's name aloud
Bell = a school bell ringing 
Whistle  = A shrill coaches whislte
NFV Lang = A non -familiar voice reading non-ambiguous paragraphs aloud

I want to compare NFV SON with NFV Lang using PPI to see which voxels
are correlated with a VOI of interest.
 
This is what I did: 
I CREATED VOI by : 
*         After  "Specifying 1st Level" (Model.mat file is Attached FYI), I selected Results and
SPM.Mat file.  
*         Selected NFV SON - NFV Lang contrast (that I had already created), 
*         Selected a group of voxels in the frontal area (Near Superior Frontal Gyrus), 
*         Clicked on VOI button
*         Named the VOI
*         Selected sphere with 6 mm
YES

Then set up for  PPI analysis by: 
*         I clicked on PPI button 
*         Selected corresponding spm.mat file
*         Chose psychophysiolgoic ...
*         Seleted saved voi.mat file
*         Included NFV SON condition with contrast weight = 1 (positive)
*         Included NFV Lang condition with contrast weight = -1 (negative)
YES

Then I added the ppi as a multiple regressor by: 
*         I changed directories (so nothing would get written over)
YES

*         Clicked on specify 1 st level 
YES

*         Loaded my previous model (attached), but added ppi as a multiple regressor
NO

YOU NEED A NEW MODEL. IT SHOULD HAVE 3 USER SPECIFIED REGRESSORS AND NO CONDTIONS.
THE THREE REGRESSORS ARE 
 - PPI.ppi
 - PPI.Y
 - PPI.P


*         Clicked run
USING THE NEW MODEL


Then  to Estimate the model I: 
*         Clicking on Estimate and selected newly created spm.mat file 
*         Clicked run
YES


TO LOOK AT RESULTS YOU CAN HAVE 2 CONTRASTS THAT LOOK AT PPI. The first is 
 1 0 0 0
which means

  1    0   0    0 
  ^   ^   ^   ^
 ppi   y   p  mean
 
assuming you put regressors in that order.
This will look at areas showing activation relative to the interaction of 
(NFV SON - NFV Lang) x Y, while discounting the effects of Y and P.

the other contrast is -1 0 0 0 which looks at the opposite interaction.

darren

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