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POETRYETC  September 2007

POETRYETC September 2007

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Re: POETRYETC Digest - 23 Sep 2007 to 24 Sep 2007 (#2007-267)

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MC Ward <[log in to unmask]>

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Poetryetc: poetry and poetics

Date:

Tue, 25 Sep 2007 17:45:38 -0700

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Joanna et al, thanks for the discussion of "may,"
entailing "might." When I moved to North Carolina
yonks ago, I had to get used to a common southernism:
"might could." And, at the conversational level, I
also had to wade through several different southern
accents. (One day I was walking toward a campus
parking lot behind two, clearly southern women when
one said, "I hope I haven't been towed." Her companion
in turn asked, "Been 'towed' what?")

In my teaching there (at NC State), I found "may" and
"can" often confused and confounded--much more so than
"may" and "might."

Candice



--- POETRYETC automatic digest system
<[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> There are 29 messages totalling 2174 lines in this
> issue.
> 
> Topics of the day:
> 
>   1. On This Day I Approach MY 59th Year (2)
>   2. Snap for 19/9 early. "This is your greeting"
>   3. wars & then some
>   4. Ahmadinejad to read at BlazeVOX [books] in NYC
> Sept 25
>   5. rip hyphens (14)
>   6. Websites unavailable (5)
>   7. First Feet Forward (2)
>   8. POETRYETC Digest - 20 Sep 2007 to 21 Sep 2007
> (#2007-264)
>   9. On the Cohen B-Day Party (2)
> 
>
----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Date:    Mon, 24 Sep 2007 07:34:30 +0800
> From:    andrew burke <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: On This Day I Approach MY 59th Year
> 
> Yeah, sixty's the new forty.
> 
> Oldtimer in the Outback
> 
> On 24/09/2007, Kenneth Wolman
> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > joe green wrote:
> > > Thanks...they are probably not going anywhere. 
> Today I am 59 and, as always, find that what I write
> that matters the most to me is the strange past. And
> a ballad (as unacceptable as one is) does the job
> for me.  All those stories are essentially true. 
> Now here's a song (to the tune of Arthur McBride).
> > >
> >
> > I don't know Arthur McBride from the Bride of
> Frankenstein but I love
> > this anyway.  And as for being 59, happy birthday,
> but you are still a
> > kid:-).  I saw all them boys with the transparent
> skin from a daily diet
> > of speed that really DID kill, and guys with arms
> serious trackwork in
> > the days when you came by your tattoos in a
> shooting gallery not in some
> > pissy little tattoo parlor.  Yeah, those were the
> days, and I only get
> > to missing them when I am awake.
> >
> > You cannot become an official Old Fart Until you
> turn sixty.  We'll wait
> > for you.
> >
> > ken
> >
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date:    Mon, 24 Sep 2007 15:39:34 +1000
> From:    Caleb Cluff <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Snap for 19/9 early. "This is your
> greeting"
> 
> Bah! Sorry for the delayed response -  things get in
> the way and days pass.
> 
> I really am happy with this work, KS and moreso for
> your as-ever-keen
> ability to pare the fat from the flesh. That's a
> lazy line "sure enough...."
> and there's real need to have a thought about what
> I'm trying to do with
> that second stanza.
> 
> I am looking forward to getting back into the list.
> And getting to Melbourne
> for a read soon. I'd love to catch up with any
> Melb-based PETCers who might
> be about. I'm coming down for the Spinning Room
> shortly.
> 
> caleb
> 
> On 9/19/07, kasper salonen <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> >
> > I love how "further away, less distinct" sets up a
> bit of a past, as
> > if this rabbit were some recent, little fixture.
> > "old blood brown" hits a chord because it seems to
> communicate the
> > idea of a non-domesticated animal, with an eye
> infection or a broken
> > leg or a chipped ear; animals age as well, but
> they do it more subtly
> > than humans & this description feels like an old
> animal; still has
> > blood, but the blood is more brown than red.
> > "the sun behind him is his alone", I read this as
> a Cummings turn of
> > phrase first; as in, 'the sun represents his
> loneliness'. it's fine
> > either way. but this second stanza is awkward; if
> you mean the eye &
> > the sun to be together, why not make it "are his
> alone"? it would
> > introduce a sort of nobility that rested not only
> in the
> > semi-impossible ('owning' the sun) but in the
> actual, it would ennoble
> > the actual: his eye is HIS eye.
> >
> > "Sure enough, sure sure enough". what? why the
> weird repetiton? before
> > such a killer line too (absorbed like milk).
> >
> > the final stanza is really a little breathtaking,
> it's very poignant.
> > the "you say" of line 7 makes the 'marble -->
> seed' symbol absolutely
> > unquestionable & so, so strong, because the image
> isn't just thrust
> > out, it's mediated. "sandy curses", dust rising
> through sunlight. the
> > leather of their boots, as dry as the blood dried
> on the rabbit's eye.
> >
> > KS
> >
> > On 18/09/2007, Caleb Cluff <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> > > This morning the rabbit in my yard
> > > was further away, less distinct.
> > >
> > > His old blood brown eye
> > > and the sun behind him is his alone.
> > >
> > > Sure enough, sure sure enough
> > > he is absorbed like milk.
> > >
> > > A marble in the mouth, you say,
> > > reverts to seed. Our forebears
> > > stamp their feet, make sandy curses.
> > > The leather of their boots, so dry.
> > >
> > > Caleb Cluff
> > > Majorca, VIC.
> > > 18/9/07
> > >
> >
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date:    Sun, 23 Sep 2007 23:02:16 -0700
> From:    MC Ward <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: wars & then some
> 
> Your ballads are really fine, Joe, with some very
> clever rhyming and lots of passing strange material
> colliding in the details. (I especially liked the
> references to COBRAs and Tom Joad together in a
> single
> stanza.) Have you ever heard the original (bitter,
> downbeat) Born in the USA? Much to move us there....
> 
> Candice
> 
> 
>      
>
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> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date:    Mon, 24 Sep 2007 01:58:35 -0400
> From:    Geoffrey Gatza <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Ahmadinejad to read at BlazeVOX [books] in
> NYC Sept 25
> 
> New York City =8B home to the United Nations and
> some of the most ethnically
> diverse communities on the planet =8B often finds
> itself in the curious
> position of being grudgingly hospitable to some of
> the world=B9s most
> controversial heads of state and loathsome tyrants.
> =20
> The arrival yesterday of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the
> Iranian president best
> known here for criticizing the United States and
> calling the Holocaust a
> myth, is the latest example of the diplomatic dance
> New York has long
> performed with international firebrands.
> =20
> Last week the Police Department denied Iran=B9s
> request 
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