Sue,
This response may be too late, but in a previous role for a Mental
Health Trust, we used a screening questionnaire with pictures
demonstrating techniques, focused on musculo-skeletal mobility. From a
'control and restraint' perspective, the key question was often whether
or not the prospective or current employee was able to rise from a
kneeling position, independantly, without the use of their arms. In my
experience, if they were able to do this, they were generally able to
undertake the techniques required (irrespective of anthropometric
assessment). It also served very nicely as a self-preclusion tool for
some and was applied at PEQ stage, i.e. sent with the questionnaire. The
front sheet to the questionnaire explained the risks and requirements of
the role and created the expectation that they must be able to undertake
such activities (without stating as much). The Line Manager also
discussed such issues in detail at interview.
Regards,
Matt
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Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 2:16 PM
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Subject: Re: [OCC-HEALTH] Pre employment Medicals
Dear All
Thank you for the suggestions re including height and weight on PEMQ's
because of the need to screen out unfit applicants who may be working on
closed units with aggressive clients in our mental health trust.
I will take away your comments and see what HR decide to do and let you
know.
Regards
Sue
>From: nicki finan <[log in to unmask]>
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>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: [OCC-HEALTH] Pre employment Medicals
>Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 16:27:50 +0100
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>Hi Sue,
>
>We have had similar questions from HR and managers in these settings,
>and sometimes have raised them ourselves from the information on height
>and weight. We ask that the individual is seen by the manager and taken
>through the requirements for physical control procedures in a practical
>setting to see of they are able to carry out the task satisfactorily.
>The manager and individual can then discuss the outcome and decide on
>their ability to carry out this aspect fop the job, it works very well
>As you rightly say, it is really impossible to judge otherwise. This
>would apply for very small stature and light individuals as well as
>those who are overweight.
>
>Hope this helps
>
>Regards
>
>Nicki
>
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>From: [log in to unmask] [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
>Behalf Of sue harrison-stone
>Sent: 14 September 2007 14:41
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: [OCC-HEALTH] Pre employment Medicals
>
>Hi
>Don't you just hate it when you are new in post and don't know all you
>want or need to know! Still keeps the old grey cells working.
>I have been asked to find out about height and weight in PEM forms. HR
>are concerned that if we recruit folk who are very over weight or tiny
>they will not be able to cope with the training and when required
>implementation of Physical Management of Aggression procedures. Some
>of the staff have had problems in doing the training and even worse
>have been unable to manage the clients because of the weight or height
>of the staff member.
>On that basis they think the question should be added to the form. I
>wonder why they don't screen folk out at interview. HR say they can't
>exclude folk in the job advert. If we do add it to forms where do I
>stand if I say someone is not fit for the job based on heaigth etc.
>And how do I know they cant cope? thinking of some of the BIG actors
>in the stage version of Billy Elliot they danced hard and fast and were
>very fit. Five mins into their
>
>roles I would have been gasping!
>The exec of the Trust feel that we have a problem and seem to want
>everyone to go to weight watchers! But it is a problem both with new
>and old employees. As are back aches and arthritis for staff who need
>this sort of training and skill too.
>Any thoughts and help gratefully accepted.
>Sue
>
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