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From: Therapeutic Communities
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Rowdy Yates
Sent: Thursday, 2 August 2007 12:43 a.m.
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [EFTC] TCs in the News - God and Religion
Arne
Thank you for two interesting and helpful posts. I agree with you -
spirituality and religion are far too often confused within recovery
programmes and they are not interchangeable. I agree also that
discussion of the role of religion in wars would be largely an
irrelevance and would certainly miss the point that I was interested in
discussing - the role of spirituality within recovery and the
relationship of that to organised religion. There are a couple of good
papers on this issue by Pamela Waters of the Addiction Technology
Transfer Center. Part 1 provides a good overview of current research
and the differences between spirituality and summarises Canda and Furman
(1999) in this quote:
"The term spirituality generally refers to the human longing for a sense
of meaning and fulfillment through morally satisfying relationships
between individuals, families, communities, cultures, and religions.
Although often viewed in a religious context, spirituality is not
necessarily about being religious. Spirituality is about responding to
the deepest questions posed by an individual's existence with a whole
heart. Religion refers to organized structures that center around
particular beliefs, behaviors rituals, ceremonies, and traditions"
http://www.scattc.org/pdf_upload/BeaconSpiritualitypart1.pdf
http://www.scattc.org/pdf_upload/BeaconSpiritualitypart2.pdf
There's also a really good chapter by Bill Miller (he of Motivational
Interviewing fame) in a book edited by Mark Galanter - Recent
Developments in Alcoholism: Volume 16 (I think - I don't have the
correct reference to hand but I could hunt it out if anyone on the list
wanted it. Or, of course, another list-member may actually know it).
Rowdy Yates
Senior Research Fellow
Scottish Addiction Studies
Sociology, Social Policy & Criminology Section
Department of Applied Social Science
University of Stirling
W: http://www.dass.stir.ac.uk/sections/scot-ad/
T: +44(0)1786 - 467737
M: 07894- 864897
NOTE: EFTC Conference, 6 - 9 June 2007, Ljubljana, Slovenia
W: http://www.eftc-europe.com/conferentie/
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From: Therapeutic Communities
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Gerdner
Arne
Sent: 01 August 2007 10:01
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [EFTC] TCs in the News - God and Religion
Hi
It is true that wars and even genoside were carried out in the name of
religion, as well as wars and genoside were done in the name of
nationalism and even in the name of socialism.
However, I feel that this is not the issue in recovery programmes of
alcoholics and addicts. We may have different political or religious
beliefs, but as counsellors, social workers or other aiding personell, I
believe that we should be able to differentiate between these beliefs
and the more general spiritual or existential beliefs that are so often
present in recovery processes. In so doing, we often find that patients
use the words of religion or other belief systems. This is what I meant
by looking at religions as some, but not all, of various SPIRITUAL
LANGUAGES. I feel that we as counsellors should be able to speak with
patients in various languages, without trying to persuade them into our
own political or religious prejudices. By accepting their spiritual
language, we may be more able to communicate with them, and they may
find help to develop their own sprituality to leave the life of
addiction.
Arne Gerdner
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From: Therapeutic Communities
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Stewart
Dickson
Sent: den 1 augusti 2007 10:21
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [EFTC] TCs in the News - God and Religion
Hi all this is not a reactive piece as I thought about it overnight and
forms part of my own beliefs.
We currently work with drug alcohol users and others with a wide range
of problems. Governments have drug wars they create drug Czars use
counter terrorism tactic's and legislation in the fight against drugs
and army's to control the world wide flow and prohibition of drugs
while choosing quietly to forget about alcohol.
While carrying out this world wide war we seam to ignore that the number
of people killed world wide is minuscule compared to those killed maimed
and tortured under the name of a wide range of religions. these
religions with their spiritual components have most likely been the
direct cause of more death and destruction through history than any
other factor.
Why are their no wars against religion?
Why do we pontificate on the need for sensitivity to other's religious
believes as has been happening in this debate instead of allowing the
carnage to continue
Stewart Dickson
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