medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
Also, check Hans Walther's Proveriba sentiaeque, in case the expression
attained proverb status.
Tom Izbicki
Gyorgy Gereby wrote:
> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
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> It occurred to me that what if it is Abaleard's joke? This wisdom about
> the empty purse sounds so weird. A wonderful truism, after all. And he
> had really good humour, I recon.
>
> Something in the vein of ... the wise king Solomon said you can never
> fail that opposite to the other side of a river lies this side.
>
> Why not check in the Carmina burana and other goliard poetry first ...
>
> Sorry for the frivolous idea, but I enjoyed imaging Abaelard making it
> up.
>
> best,
>
> George
>
>
>
>>>> Robert Kraft <[log in to unmask]> 08/24/07 5:22 PM >>>
>>>>
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> Sounds like perhaps the Solomon who was believed to be master of "magic"
>
> and related matters (see the "Testament of Solomon" traditions, among
> others). I'm away from my office, and thus unable to check sources.
>
> Bob Kraft, UPenn
>
> >
>
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>> I have two lines [what ONLY 2??] from Peter Abelard's "Carmen ad
>> Astralabium" which have foxed me as to the reference. They concern
>> (presumably King) Solomon, he the exemplar of wisdom.
>>
>> ut Salomon meminit, pertusus saculus eius
>> de quo produxit tanta fefellit eum.
>>
>> Which my faithful translator renders:
>>
>> As Solomon recalled, the purse from which he had brought forth very
>>
> many
>
>> great things was of no use when it wore into a hole.
>>
>> Carmen ad Astralabium lines 923-4 (Rubingh-Bosscher edition)
>>
>> I have hunted through the OT and the Apocrypha, the Golden Legend and
>>
> some
>
>> assorted reference books but cannot track the allusion to its source.
>>
> R-B
>
>> gives Haggai 1.6 and Proverbs 7.20 but I think these are so vague they
>>
>
>
>> cannot be the source.
>>
>> Any ideas ? I suspect some mediaeval legend of King S but don't know
>>
> where
>
>> else to look.
>>
>> Hopefully,
>>
>> Brenda M C
>>
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