Hi Liddy et al,

Thanks for this!  If nothing else I'm hoping to make it to your social 
tagging session so I'll definitely see you there.

For everyone else's info- the room Liddy is referring to is a giant 
ballroom with loads of conference delegates watching presentations- I 
wasn't ignoring Liddy  :-)  I was in fact emailing when I should've been 
listening to the presentations too- I call it multi-tasking.  I'm back 
in my hotel room now doing some more prep for this afternoon's 
DC-Education meeting.

I've just had a look at the resources Liddy has provided links for.  I 
think I was going in slightly the wrong direction with my earlier 
questions for the accessibility community.  Two things occur to me:

1.  The IMS and ISO work are clearly aimed at (and arising from) the 
education community.   However, it is difficult to see much within those 
specs that is in fact education-specific in the sense that it couldn't 
be applied to any type of resource or community of practice.  The entire 
specs obviously are designed with delivery of educational materials in 
mind, but *anything* could be delivered digitally to any person using 
these specs.

2.  The DC-Accessibility draft AP includes educationLevel, as does the 
DC-Ed draft AP.  Apart from that the same as above holds, and the DC 
work does not appear to be specifically aimed at the education domain.  
I'm not clear if this AP was also intended to be "modular" as the 
DC-Education one is, but it looks that way to me at first glance.

My feeling is that all of this accessibility metadata work has taken a 
lot of deep thought and community consultation and is looking very 
complete unto itself.  So my initial thought that we should be looking 
for education-specific accessibility properties for the DC-Ed AP doesn't 
really seem right.  We don't need to imperfectly reinvent the wheel.

So the main issue, I feel, is how different APs like the accessibility 
one and the education one can interact with each other and with other 
metadata - how exactly can we plug them together, are they compatible 
(i.e. having educationLevel in one and Audience refined by 
educationLevel in the other), etc.?  This is a broader issue than the 
DC-Education Community can solve alone.

I'm hoping we can touch on this at the DC-Education meeting this 
afternoon and decide on the best way forward for 2007/2008.

Best
Sarah



Liddy Nevile wrote:
> Sarah
> we are sitting in the same room and I have seen you and heard you but 
> no, we have not yet caught up!
>
> The metadata for accessibility is new but it is available in both the 
> IMS and the DC world and it is currently being implemented in many 
> major locations - so you have not seen a lot of it yet but it is coming!
>
> The DC version is considered at length on the DC accessibility pages 
> so that is where you find what I am talking about. The IMS (LOM) 
> version is available from IMS, and there is the ISO version which is 
> about to be published by ISO (BTW, BSI is deeply involved in this for 
> the UK, eg).
>
> I hope we can meet and talk in the next couple of days!
>
> Liddy
>
>
> On 29/08/2007, at 11:01 AM, Sarah Currier wrote:
>
>> Hi Robyn, et al,
>>
>> Many thanks for your comments and feedback.  It's all extremely 
>> useful and doesn't need much discussion (from me anyway- everyone 
>> else go ahead!); the only bit I think I need to respond to right now 
>> is the comment on accessibility, and I'd like to start a new thread 
>> on this.  Thanks also to Liddy for her previous email re 
>> accessibility: I had meant to catch up with Liddy in person re this 
>> here at DC-2007 in Singapore but haven't managed it yet, and in any 
>> case, it is important to also discuss on the list.  We are also 
>> having our DC-Education AP meeting this afternoon, where I will raise 
>> the issue.  Anyway:
>>
>>> Accessibility -  The application profile should provide for 
>>> information about the accessibility (or adaptability) of a resource 
>>> for those with special requirements in educational settings.
>>>
>>
>> Back when I first started working on the DC-Ed AP last year, Liddy 
>> emailed us re this issue and I responded that I didn't know of any 
>> education-specific properties of resources related to accessibility, 
>> and asked to be pointed in the right direction of any work in this 
>> area.  I'm still not sure what "special requirements in educational 
>> settings" might be, over and above accessibility requirements for 
>> using any type of resource.  I am *very* keen to get some clarity on 
>> this as it is extremely important, but it is not my area of 
>> expertise, so would be grateful if someone out there could point the 
>> DC-Ed community in the right direction, or advise us directly.
>>
>>>
>>> If we are to use elements already in existence this could be 
>>> addressed in IEEE LOM 9.1 Classification Purpose, although the 
>>> existing value space of  “accessibility restrictions” may not be the 
>>> best way to think of it. Discussion with Liddy and the accessibility 
>>> group will add much clarity to this thinking!
>>>
>>
>> Yes, I agree, this is likely not an ideal solution, and hasn't been 
>> used much in the LOM community as far as I know.  The LOM 
>> Classification elements do not sit easily with DC anyway- not sure 
>> how the LOM/DC Task Force are approaching this one, hopefully will 
>> find out later today.  We may need to propose a new element but I am 
>> hoping, with all the accessibility work that's been going on around 
>> the world for years, that we can reuse someone else's, i.e. one from 
>> another metadata schema.
>>
>> I emphasise again, to be within scope for the DC-Ed AP, any 
>> accessibility property would need to be specific to the educational 
>> nature, attributes or context of a resource.
>>
>> Best wishes to all from Singapore,
>> Sarah
>>
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