JiscMail Logo
Email discussion lists for the UK Education and Research communities

Help for SPM Archives


SPM Archives

SPM Archives


SPM@JISCMAIL.AC.UK


View:

Message:

[

First

|

Previous

|

Next

|

Last

]

By Topic:

[

First

|

Previous

|

Next

|

Last

]

By Author:

[

First

|

Previous

|

Next

|

Last

]

Font:

Proportional Font

LISTSERV Archives

LISTSERV Archives

SPM Home

SPM Home

SPM  July 2007

SPM July 2007

Options

Subscribe or Unsubscribe

Subscribe or Unsubscribe

Log In

Log In

Get Password

Get Password

Subject:

Re: AFNI and SPM

From:

Ged Ridgway <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Ged Ridgway <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 30 Jul 2007 12:24:50 +0100

Content-Type:

text/plain

Parts/Attachments:

Parts/Attachments

text/plain (66 lines)

Hi Benjamin,

I know very little about AFNI, but I'll have a quick effort, hopefully 
someone else will be more thorough, but if not, I hope this helps...

> In addition to the 
> preprocessed images (I do not have intermediate steps) I have the 
> original analyze files from the DICOM conversion/ extraction.
[...]
> 1. Would it be suitable to convert AFNI files to the analyze file type 
> for the final preprocessed images, or does image processing need to be 
> re-done in SPM to yield proper results in subsequent analyses?

I think so. I assume you have AFNI BRIK files, in which case AFNI 
contains several functions like 3dAFNIto<something> where <something> 
includes ANALYZE and NIFTI. The latter would be better for SPM5, if 
you are using that. In fact, I believe the current version of AFNI is 
happy working with NIfTI files, so it should be possible to use both 
this and SPM5 on the same data.

A few things to watch out for when switching between programs:
- orientation is a very thorny issue, 3dAFNItoANALYZE has some help 
info on this. Take a subject with an obvious left/right asymmetry and 
check that the afni viewer and SPM's Display function have left/right 
consistent.
- intensity scaling can be rather non-standard, for the non-float 
data-types. Again, check that viewers agree on the intensity of 
corresponding voxels. If you have problems, AFNI's 3dcalc could be 
used to convert AFNI data to floating point (this might not be the 
best way of doing this...)

> Can I 
> port the preprocessed AFNI files into SPM and expect to get the same / 
> similar results in t and F contrasts in SPM?

If the orientation and intensities are correct, then I would expect 
t/F values to be similar. However, AFNI and SPM have different 
methods/options for non-sphericity correction / variance component 
estimation, and probably a few other subtleties, so they will probably 
not be the same.

Also, even with identical t or F values, FWE/RFT statistical 
thresholds will probably differ (hopefully not by too much, but I 
haven't looked) due to differences in the way the two programs 
estimate smoothness and related calculations. FDR should be more 
likely to be the same, as far as I can tell.

Note though that AFNI and SPM pre-processing (such as motion 
correction and intersubject normalisation if used) might differ quite 
a lot, so if you did do separate analyses from scratch in the two 
programs, the results could differ a fair bit -- but hopefully not too 
drastically, if they are both analysing the same brain activity ;-)

> 2. Does anyone have experience working with AFNI and SPM and know what 
> the fidelity of SPM maps between program is? Being able to validate my 
> work against the AFNI results would be invaluable.

I think they will differ, but it will probably be due to different 
modelling choices (e.g. in HRF parametrisation or error 
autocorrelation structure) rather than greater or less degrees of 
"fidelity/validity" so it won't be easy to say which is better/right. 
Sorry I don't have any more direct experience to relate to you.

Best,
Ged.

Top of Message | Previous Page | Permalink

JiscMail Tools


RSS Feeds and Sharing


Advanced Options


Archives

April 2024
March 2024
February 2024
January 2024
December 2023
November 2023
October 2023
September 2023
August 2023
July 2023
June 2023
May 2023
April 2023
March 2023
February 2023
January 2023
December 2022
November 2022
October 2022
September 2022
August 2022
July 2022
June 2022
May 2022
April 2022
March 2022
February 2022
January 2022
December 2021
November 2021
October 2021
September 2021
August 2021
July 2021
June 2021
May 2021
April 2021
March 2021
February 2021
January 2021
December 2020
November 2020
October 2020
September 2020
August 2020
July 2020
June 2020
May 2020
April 2020
March 2020
February 2020
January 2020
December 2019
November 2019
October 2019
September 2019
August 2019
July 2019
June 2019
May 2019
April 2019
March 2019
February 2019
January 2019
December 2018
November 2018
October 2018
September 2018
August 2018
July 2018
June 2018
May 2018
April 2018
March 2018
February 2018
January 2018
December 2017
November 2017
October 2017
September 2017
August 2017
July 2017
June 2017
May 2017
April 2017
March 2017
February 2017
January 2017
December 2016
November 2016
October 2016
September 2016
August 2016
July 2016
June 2016
May 2016
April 2016
March 2016
February 2016
January 2016
December 2015
November 2015
October 2015
September 2015
August 2015
July 2015
June 2015
May 2015
April 2015
March 2015
February 2015
January 2015
December 2014
November 2014
October 2014
September 2014
August 2014
July 2014
June 2014
May 2014
April 2014
March 2014
February 2014
January 2014
December 2013
November 2013
October 2013
September 2013
August 2013
July 2013
June 2013
May 2013
April 2013
March 2013
February 2013
January 2013
December 2012
November 2012
October 2012
September 2012
August 2012
July 2012
June 2012
May 2012
April 2012
March 2012
February 2012
January 2012
December 2011
November 2011
October 2011
September 2011
August 2011
July 2011
June 2011
May 2011
April 2011
March 2011
February 2011
January 2011
December 2010
November 2010
October 2010
September 2010
August 2010
July 2010
June 2010
May 2010
April 2010
March 2010
February 2010
January 2010
December 2009
November 2009
October 2009
September 2009
August 2009
July 2009
June 2009
May 2009
April 2009
March 2009
February 2009
January 2009
December 2008
November 2008
October 2008
September 2008
August 2008
July 2008
June 2008
May 2008
April 2008
March 2008
February 2008
January 2008
December 2007
November 2007
October 2007
September 2007
August 2007
July 2007
June 2007
May 2007
April 2007
March 2007
February 2007
January 2007
2006
2005
2004
2003
2002
2001
2000
1999
1998


JiscMail is a Jisc service.

View our service policies at https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/policyandsecurity/ and Jisc's privacy policy at https://www.jisc.ac.uk/website/privacy-notice

For help and support help@jisc.ac.uk

Secured by F-Secure Anti-Virus CataList Email List Search Powered by the LISTSERV Email List Manager