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Re: New paper from James Hansen

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Tom Barker <[log in to unmask]>

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Tom Barker <[log in to unmask]>

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Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:30:09 +0100

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Dear All

I think many people will have seen this new report by now, but it you 
haven't, you can download it free from this link: 
http://www.zerocarbonbritain.com/

We ought to remember that hydrogen 'fuels' are more similar to a 
battery than a fossil fuel.  They can only store energy generated elsewhere.

Cheers, Tom




At 14:07 21/07/2007, Jonathan Ward wrote:
>David
>it is indeed a good paper, one written with a tone of urgency, a 
>step long needed in this area.
>Of interest, but in a slightly different area is an older paper by 
>Pacal and Socolow (2004) which dicusses solving emissions reductions 
>problems using 7 'wedges' which rely on existing technology, rather 
>than the much vaunted 'techonogical solutions' which are 'just' 
>around the corner.
>(http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/305/5686/968)
>
>and more recently, there is the new EU green paper on adapting to 
>climate change in europe
>http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/site/en/com/2007/com2007_0354en01.pdf
>it misses out some key areas, but there are signs that they are 
>moving in the right direction.
>
>it seems to me in the UK there is something of an impasse with 
>regards to global warming action at the moment. there is a lot of 
>ioslated grass-roots action, a number of towns and villages 
>undergoing transition to sustainability on their own accord, and 
>more people making choices over food (local VS imported etc)....yet, 
>in terms of approaching the time when we need to think about 90% 
>reductions we have no means of getting to that target (C&C of 
>course, but that requires the government to still find the way in 
>which it is going to achieve contraction). there is still a vaccum 
>(HMG seems to be fairly unsure on what it is doing and on what 
>scientific basis does it make its decisions) which needs to be 
>addressed soon. We seem to be leading from the bottom up, but that 
>always encounters obstacles, and with large changes needed on a 
>short timescale, it needs moe.
>
>Some opinion polls seem keen to paint a growing trend of climate 
>awareness in the UK, but without the individuals making much action 
>on their part to address their concerns. We need tough decisions 
>over land use, fossil fuel use, transport, business, efficiency 
>legislation, power generation, food production systems, and an 
>economy driven on buying itself out of trouble.
>
>The pace of change is not enough to meet our targets, but i am 
>struggling at the moment to think what the next step is. I see 
>positive changes in people and institutions, but too much is talk 
>(and I have been guilty of that myself too often) and too much is 
>contradicted by other actions.
>
>Best wishes
>
>Jonathan
>
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