I certainly have been lobbying the LSC to start funding development
activities, whether I am successful is a different issue!
James Clay
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Virtual Learning Environments
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of STILES Mark J
> Sent: 12 June 2007 20:34
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [VLES] JISC Attitudinal Survey 2007
>
> Richard
>
> As has been said the exclusion is the HE funding councils
> doing not JISC's.
>
> The issue has been raised I'm sure, but the real answer would
> be to get LSC to cooperate.
>
> Mark
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Virtual Learning Environments
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Richard Everett
> Sent: 12 June 2007 17:51
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [VLES] JISC Attitudinal Survey 2007
>
> Mark
>
> I understand your concerns about the quality of bids and the
> capability to deliver - but surely that is something that can
> be ascertained as part of the evaluation process. What is at
> issue here is that FE is being discriminated against by being
> excluded even when it delivers HE.
> I take it that JISC would not prevent a small HE institution
> from bidding just on its size so why are they preventing
> small HE provision from applying just because it is contained
> within an FE institution.
>
> Richard
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Virtual Learning Environments on behalf of Mark Stiles
> Sent: Tue 12/06/2007 15:45
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [VLES] JISC Attitudinal Survey 2007
>
>
> Richard
>
> As has already been pointed out, it is hardly JISC's fault
> that LSC don't see fit to provide the funding needed to allow
> FE to participate more widely in its activities. (Plus as
> has already been said, it's not just HEFCE, but HEFCW, SHEFC,
> and DEL). Plus, when the funding IS higher education funding,
> at what level do you say an FEI is eligible - ten students?
> I appreciate the limits posed are arbitrary, but there IS a
> level of minimum HE provision needed to make an FEI-based HE
> bid credible AND deliverable surely?
>
> Mark
>
>
> On 12/6/07 2:51 pm, "Richard Everett" <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> HEFCE and JISC are indivisible - if there is an issue
> that is affecting JISC (as a result of HEFCE funding rules)
> then IMHO JISC should be telling HEFCE that it is harming
> their standing in the wider community (with a view to getting
> the policy changed).
>
> It seems to me to be a totally legitimate view of staff
> in FE to think (irrespective of whether it is the JISCs fault
> or HEFCEs) that there is unfair treatment of FE colleges
> delivering HE.
>
> It seems to me that the whole point of having an
> attitudinal survey is to find out what attitudes people have
> of the JISC - I am willing to bet that a large number of FE
> colleges would hold similar views on this matter - it will be
> interesting to see if the survey bears that out.
>
> Regards
>
> Richard
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Virtual Learning Environments
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Mark Stiles
> Sent: 12 June 2007 14:03
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [VLES] JISC Attitudinal Survey 2007
>
> Richard
>
> What Jacqui has said is important. JISC are actually
> very keen to involve FE colleges, but where calls are
> specifically funded by, for example, HEFCE those funders do
> set conditions. JISC's desire to involve FE is evidenced by
> all the pre-call briefings and workshops that were held ahead
> of the HE in FE call. (I would add that FE colleagues would
> do well to engage with such events, and things like bidding
> workshops held by ALT and the RSCs, as they DO suffer from
> their inexperience in writing bids)
>
> One of the things that FE can do to improve their
> chances is to involve themselves as much as possible in the
> community and forge links with others. I have had two or
> three of Staffordshire's FEI partners as active partners in
> my last four JISC projects.
>
> (As a last point - my team are not "postgraduates",
> they are professional learning technologists!)
>
> Mark
>
>
> On 12/6/07 12:00 pm, "Jacquie Kelly" <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi Richard,
>
> The primary reason for some small HE providers
> not being allowed to bid
> in their own right is that the money for these
> projects comes from HEFCE
> and they decide on the funding criteria.
>
> You may recall that fairly recently the LSC
> decided to cut their funding
> to JISC and so maybe this is who you need to lobby.
>
> Regards,
> Jacquie
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Virtual Learning Environments
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> Behalf Of Richard Everett
> Sent: 12 June 2007 11:51
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: FW: JISC Attitudinal Survey 2007
>
> Hi Phil
>
> This still does not address the inequity of
> some FE colleges that
> deliver HE being specifically excluded from
> bidding. It is primarily
> this that causes the JISC to be accused of
> being an exclusive club.
>
> I would have thought that in the interests of a
> better experience for
> students in Higher Education, the JISC would
> wish to encourage FE
> participation so that it can learn from the
> valuable experience FE has
> to offer (or is it a case of HE knows best - FE
> can pick up the crumbs)?
>
> Richard
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Virtual Learning Environments
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> Behalf Of Philip Butler
> Sent: 12 June 2007 11:28
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [VLES] FW: JISC Attitudinal Survey 2007
>
> Hi Gary, Richard,
>
> I realise that this often feels like a club,
> but Universities have
> Teaching and Learning Centres geared up for
> this type of work; whole
> teams of post-graduates led by emminent
> professors (like Mark Stiles,
> etc.) work on these projects. The issue isn't
> about people losing out
> on 'dosh' being handed out, it's whether the
> money will enable projects
> to be delivered effectively. Commonly smaller
> LP's don't' have the
> infrastructure or resources to do this, and if
> they were to 'buy it in',
> it's questionable whether this is cost
> effective, and what happens to it
> when the money dries up and the project finishes?
>
> However, when universities bid for projects,
> they often actively look
> for collaborative partnerships with FEI's and
> Sixth Form Colleges.
> Perhaps it would be worth setting up a Wikki or
> a searchable Social
> Networking site where interested learning
> providers can register,
> listing resources they can offer, etc.?
>
> Moodle Regional User Group
> Only a couple of places left for what must be
> the Moodle event of the
> year!
> http://www.rsc-london.ac.uk/1042/
>
> (Additional charge for non-supported
> institutions - but we're not an
> exclusive club!)
>
> Very best wishes
> Philip
>
> Philip Butler, Senior e-Learning Adviser JISC
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>
> Tel: 020 7692 1643 (Office)
> 0787 962 0421 (Mobile)
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>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Virtual Learning Environments
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> Behalf Of Gary Musham
> Sent: 12 June 2007 09:41
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: FW: JISC Attitudinal Survey 2007
>
> Hi Richard
>
> I agree, I used to work in a sixth form College
> that didn't even get a
> look in regarding JISC bids. The bid door was
> well and truly locked!
>
> Regards
>
> Gary Musham
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Virtual Learning Environments on behalf
> of Richard Everett
> Sent: Tue 12/06/2007 09:09
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [VLES] FW: JISC Attitudinal Survey 2007
>
>
>
> I liken it to the JISC being a bit of an exclusive club.
> Supposedly all
> institutions delivering Higher Education are
> able to bid for funding
> opportunities but in reality it is only a
> 'club' of institutions that
> can. Many Further Education Colleges, that do
> in fact deliver HE, are
> specifically excluded from bidding - that IMHO
> is the inequity.
>
> Hope that clarifies
>
> R
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Virtual Learning Environments
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> Behalf Of STILES Mark J
> Sent: 11 June 2007 19:38
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [VLES] FW: JISC Attitudinal Survey 2007
>
> What form do see this parity taking Richard -
> and indeed, in what way is
> parity lacking?
>
> Mark
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Virtual Learning Environments
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> Behalf Of Richard Everett
> Sent: 11 June 2007 18:59
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: [VLES] FW: JISC Attitudinal Survey 2007
>
> Personally I think a little bit of parity
> between Higher Education and
> FE colleges who deliver HE wouldn't go amiss
> for bidding! I will put
> that in the survey but I don't necessarily
> think that others need to ;-)
>
> R
>
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