PS Candice, the lyrical we - (sorry... can't help it... the theatre is all
_about_ "we"! - though Prynne was very disapproving when I told him I liked
the theatre _because_ it's crude) is probably the most difficult - how do
you make the "we" inclusive without presumptuous? Prynne probably does that
so well because it's about as problematised as it gets.
Note to self: must order The Pollen for when I have a brain again...
On 6/9/07, Alison Croggon <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> Old hobby horse here. (I _did_ change the title of this thread, after
> all...)
>
> Anny: Joe said that the theatrical I was not problematised in the way the
> poetic lyric I is. ("The I in the theater is certainly interesting, but it
> is not the problematized lyric I this discussion began with.") I gave a few
> example where the I is deeply problematised in ways that run parallel to the
> problematised lyric I. Capiche?
>
> One question: do all of you think that speculations about the body and
> spoken utterance are utterly irrelevant to poetry (and particularly to
> lyric?)
>
> Question two: shall I get off this list and leave you all in slumbrous
> peace? Enthusiasm doesn't seem to go down well here -
>
> Puckishly
>
> A
>
>
>
>
>
> On 6/9/07, MC Ward <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> > Anyone else interested in the "lyrical we"? To me, it
> > divides modernism from its latter-day manifestations
> > (but NOT postmodernism). The reason why the "I" in To
> > Pollen is so shocking is that Prynne seems to have
> > rejected "I" for "we" a long time ago. What's bringing
> > it back, I wonder?
> >
> > Candice
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Roger Day <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> > > On 6/8/07, Joseph Duemer <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > > > Alison wrote: It's hard to avoid the word "I" in a
> > > play. And the "lyric I"
> > > > in writing for theatre is particularly
> > > interesting, and perhaps
> > > > illuminating. Beckett's Not
> > > > I, for example... "
> > > >
> > > > I was just noting that the subject of the
> > > discussion had shifted. The I in
> > > > the theater is certainly interesting, but it is
> > > not the problematized lyric
> > > > I this discussion began with. That's fine, it is
> > > the way discussion go. I
> > > > was just making a note of it. (As anyone can see:
> > > we're now off on the
> > > > subject of the body in theater!)
> > > >
> > > > jd
> > >
> > >
> > > Well, yes. I can see Alison's hobby horse cantering
> > > by (^_^)
> > > >
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