> But the Eye is always contained in an I, eh, Stephen?
Somebody finally figured it out! Thank's, Joe.
>
> Cornell is maybe the most concrete visual artist of the 20th c., along with
> Marianne Moore.
Be curious to know how you define 'concrete' - are you talking materials
or?? Depending on the work, there is something 'counter-concrete' about the
provocation of the collages (as if in a dream).
>
> I'd argue -- though doubtlessly alone -- that Calvino's weakest work is his
> most abstract (Invisible Cities, If On a Winter's Night a Traveler) & his
> strongest his most concrete (The Baron in the Trees).
You are unarguably much better read hear than I (Eye).
Borges fascinates, but
> does not move me: reading him is like charming a cobra in a basket with a
> flute.
Sounds like it takes a good chess player mind to define and contain,
strategize and move with the forces. I am not good at Chess - too hyper to
sit still. Basketball is my game. Run and shoot, etc.
Stephen
http://stephenvincent.net/blog/
> jd
>
> On 6/6/07, Stephen Vincent <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks, Andrew. Can you tell me the particular story by Borges, or is it
>> called, "B on B"?? Early on I had an aversion to both Borge's and
>> Libraries
>> (Back then. I was more of a bookstore person than a Library person.) Same
>> with I. Calvino and Pessoa's multiples. Now I like the latter two very
>> much.
>> (Mistakenly I just misread a Google bio on Calvino in which I read that
>> Calvino had done his doctoral thesis on Joseph Cornell (it was actually on
>> Conrad!) But Cornell's dream boxes are in Calvino territory. And I like
>> Cornell, too.
>>
>> In the sixties and seventies - of which much of me springs - there was a
>> distrust of abstraction (the Corporate/Gov abstraction of selling a false
>> war, etc. - not too much different than today). But the aversion to
>> abstraction spun out unfortunately on to these guys. Back then I preferred
>> real gardens with real toads and to hell with the mental/dream high wire
>> acts!
>>
>> Well Eye do Believe!
>>
>> Stephen V
>> http://stephenvincent.net/blog/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Tres bon, Stephen. Reminds me of Borges on Borges ... Very grand, and
>>> I love 'an autre time' ...
>>>
>>> Andre
>>>
>>> On 07/06/07, Stephen Vincent <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>> Je est an autre...
>>>>
>>>> I got him up out of bed today, put him in the shower, shaved, made
>>>> breakfast, etc. "Je" insisted on going for a cup of coffee, and a walk
>> in
>>>> the sun. It was when "Je" wanted to go over and knock off my friend,
>>>> Verlaine, I had to intervene and put his weapon back in the closet.
>>>>
>>>> Otherwise, "Je" has escapades that I find quite entertaining - I
>> always put
>>>> the good stuff into my journal to make into poems at 'an autre' time.
>>>>
>>>> Rimbaudo
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Sure, but I think many of us here in this ongoing, & fascinating,
>>>>> conversation, are speaking about what works, at the moment, for us as
>>>>> we write(or attempt to).
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't want to deny the 'I', but merely to state that most of the
>> time
>>>>> it doesn't work as a method for me, right now anyway.
>>>>>
>>>>> I do think that the discussion is good precisely because it has shown
>>>>> how different we all are, while clearly committed to artistic 'truth.'
>>>>> (let's leave 'sincerity' out of it, although I do like Anny's comment
>>>>> on 'sinceritas'). The work, the poem, needs to come to us as honest
>> [in
>>>>> its craft, art, whatever] (the writer, well s/he/s somewhere else)...
>>>>>
>>>>> Doug
>>>>> On 6-Jun-07, at 4:47 AM, Joseph Duemer wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "If a poet has something besides themselves and their gift to share
>>>>>> with us
>>>>>> . . ."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, agree. And also with the poem as revealing the "fullness of the
>>>>>> world,"
>>>>>> in Stephen's phrase. But I think, too, that that not using the first
>>>>>> person
>>>>>> is just as often a stance, a position, a pose, as the worst falsely
>>>>>> "sincere" lyric. If you want to avoid what I would rather call
>>>>>> sentimentality, you are going to have to do more than abandon the
>> first
>>>>>> person pronoun. (By 'you' I don't mean anyone it particular, here or
>>>>>> elsewhere.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> jd
>>>>> Douglas Barbour
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>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Art has to be forgotten: Beauty must be realized.
>>>>>
>>>>> Piet Mondrian
>>>>
>>>
>>
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