Ah, well. I got it all, Candice, thanks.
I am sorry, but I guess these things happen sometimes. I hope that in
time, each side will be able to relax a it, & maybe Alison will feel
like coming back. I, lke some others, always enjoyed the range of what
she had to say, agree or disagree.
In the argument with Mark, for example, I found both sides interesting
& recognized particular inheritances (poetic, literary, theatrical
even) at work. I tend to lean more toward Mark's POV, but not having
seen that production of the Wilde play, was definitely interested to
hear Alison's description of it.
In an ideal world, the problem wouldn't have arisen s it did, but here
we are, in the real one....
Doug
(the whole seems to be below)
On 8-Jun-07, at 9:58 PM, MC Ward wrote:
> Note: forwarded message attached.
>
> (And damn the torpedos!)
>
>
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> Candice, thanks for the sentiments - was this supposed to go to the
> list?
>
> Dazed and Confused of Williamstown
>
> On 6/9/07, MC Ward <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>> I think you have every right and reason to respond to
>> anti-petc moves, especially since it's important to
>> correct the misrepresentations. There is no excuse for
>> name-calling such as "Drama Queen," nor to personally
>> attacking Alison when she's off-list. If we surround
>> ourselves with civility, we retain our dignity, and I
>> hope the list (and its managers) will grant that
>> dignity to Alison. She has worked hard for the sake of
>> the list over the years and deserves better treatment
>> from listees.
>>
>> Candice
>>
>>
>>
>> --- Alison Croggon <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>>> The ether might be telling me to shut up - which is
>>> probably wiser...
>>>
>>> but you know me.
>>>
>>> I'm looking forward to your chapbook - I'll post
>>> mine off Tuesday as Monday
>>> is a holiday here (the Queen's Birthday, believe it
>>> or not)
>>>
>>> xxxA
>>>
>>> On 6/9/07, MC Ward <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Here you go--hope it makes it through the ether!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --- Alison Croggon <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yes thanks Candice -
>>>>>
>>>>> xxxA
>>>>>
>>>>> On 6/9/07, MC Ward <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is this the text you wanted the list to see?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> C
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- Alison Croggon <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear all
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm quite serious that I have no hard
>>> feelings
>>>>> about
>>>>>>> leaving. But since
>>>>>>> there seems to be a post mortem going on in
>>> my
>>>>>>> absence in which I have been
>>>>>>> a little misrepresented - something, btw,
>>> that
>>>>> was
>>>>>>> not permitted in my day,
>>>>>>> when a person could not defend him or
>>> herself -
>>>>> I
>>>>>>> feel compelled to clarify
>>>>>>> why I left this list.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, no one asked me to leave as such.
>>> Although
>>>>> Joe
>>>>>>> did make it very clear,
>>>>>>> in response to my mischievous note - did
>>> anyone
>>>>>>> notice Puck at the end? -
>>>>>>> that my leaving would be very welcome. And
>>> yes,
>>>>> I
>>>>>>> was thinking of it anyway
>>>>>>> because Anny's extraordinary declaration of
>>> war
>>>>> -
>>>>>>> and another note where she
>>>>>>> (and later Joe) seemed to take offence at my
>>>>> noting
>>>>>>> some interesting
>>>>>>> contemporary English dramatists - made it
>>> clear
>>>>> to
>>>>>>> me that intellectual
>>>>>>> difference and discussion was becoming very
>>>>>>> problematic on this list. For
>>>>>>> me, if for no one else.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And contra Joe's supposition that
>>> "Apparently,
>>>>> the
>>>>>>> best I can tell, she
>>>>>>> found it tiresome to respond to people who
>>>>> disagreed
>>>>>>> with her or asked her
>>>>>>> to defend her positions, but that is mere
>>>>>>> speculation on my part": I don't
>>>>>>> know what to say. The problem seemed to be
>>>>> actually
>>>>>>> that I _did_ response to
>>>>>>> people who disagreed with me, and always
>>>>> defended my
>>>>>>> position. This seemed
>>>>>>> to cause offence in some areas. As Anny
>>> said, "I
>>>>>>> hate it when I have to deal
>>>>>>> with such undefined and stubborn forces that
>>>>> need to
>>>>>>> show off what I do not
>>>>>>> know."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As I said to Mark (which was in fact, and
>>> yes I
>>>>> was
>>>>>>> unclear there, in
>>>>>>> response to Anny): "I thought it was a given
>>>>> that no
>>>>>>> opinion rehearsed here
>>>>>>> has the imprimatur of Divine Right. I only
>>> claim
>>>>> my
>>>>>>> own sensibility. I have
>>>>>>> reasons for thinking as I do, and if
>>> questioned
>>>>> I
>>>>>>> will tell you what those
>>>>>>> reasons are. I thought that this process was
>>>>> known
>>>>>>> as "discussion"; and
>>>>>>> certainly during the many years I ran this
>>> list,
>>>>> it
>>>>>>> was described as a
>>>>>>> "discussion list". Perhaps things have
>>> changed
>>>>> while
>>>>>>> I was looking
>>>>>>> elsewhere."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I suppose no one will believe me when I say
>>> I
>>>>> wish
>>>>>>> you well. Or that I feel
>>>>>>> no hurt pride (I only dislike being
>>>>> misrepresented -
>>>>>>> I'll always stand by
>>>>>>> things that I actually DID say). I just feel
>>> a
>>>>>>> certain nostalgic loyalty to
>>>>>>> the list, and hence a certain brief sadness
>>> in
>>>>>>> leaving. But it is clear that
>>>>>>> it is only nostalgia.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Onward!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alison
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Editor, Masthead:
>>> http://www.masthead.net.au
>>>>>>> Blog: http://theatrenotes.blogspot.com
>>>>>>> Home page: http://www.alisoncroggon.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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>>>>> Editor, Masthead: http://www.masthead.net.au
>>>>> Blog: http://theatrenotes.blogspot.com
>>>>> Home page: http://www.alisoncroggon.com
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