And Doug, don't forget the so-called "rhetorical you,"
which poets often use to stand for an "I" that they
don't want to go lyrical or personal or whatever.
(I've never heard anyone speak of the "lyrical you,"
though, which can shift from self-address to other in
a heartbeat.)
Reminds me of that Ani diFranco line: "Every song has
a you in it...."
Candice
--- Douglas Barbour <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Ah, but Joe, what do we mean by 'sincerity' here.
> I'm always reminded
> of Frye on Milton's Elegy: that the sincerity of art
> is in the writing,
> not the personal feeling as such.
>
> Of course, one 'means it,' but what is the it in
> question? I come back
> to the Creeley attitude, of discovery in the act of
> writing, & that's
> sincere for sure.
>
> And I admit that the non-use of the term 'I' doesn't
> mean that the poem
> doesn't enact some 'i/eye/aye' at work, that the
> reader won't recognize
> that someone is saying something....
>
> It's a question/problem of choosing how to get
> something said... (&, in
> my case, an attempt to find a way to make it new
> enough for me). I
> think that's what Stephen is after too. There's that
> need not to get
> stuck in a rut...?
>
> Which is why I'm more than happy to read other 'I'
> poems even as, much
> of the time, I'm not able, at the moment, to write,
> sincerely, in that
> mode myself....
>
> Doug
> On 5-Jun-07, at 6:25 PM, Joseph Duemer wrote:
>
> > I'd argue that sincerity is the center of art. If
> you don't mean it,
> > what's
> > the point? I would also be delighted to argue that
> Wilde is among the
> > most
> > sincere of artists.
> Douglas Barbour
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